Talk:St. Francis de Sales Roman Catholic Church (Manhattan, NYC)

This page should not be speedy deleted because...[edit]

This page has been--in my opinion--hastily and erroneously marked for speedy deletion. I have created and included the new page on St. Francis de Sales Roman Catholic Church due to it historical significance for the people of New York City. I request time to adequately edit and reflect this in the markup for the wiki entry. Accordingly, this should have rather been marked as a stub for further contribution than marked for deletion. However, the basic intent with the new entry is to ultimately demonstrate--as has been demonstrated in other such entries related to buildings, landmarks, institutions, organizations, etc...--that inclusion of St. Francis de Sales holds value within the encyclopedia (and for the people that utilize it) by documenting: a) its unique style of architecture (as representative during its time of construction as a religious building, b) its cultural influence as part of the immigrant community--and larger American story--throughout the years that founded that portion of Manhattan, c) its significance as related to the lives of other culturally and historically famous people (for instance--James Cagney who is noted in various places such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cagney as being both confirmed and eulogized here due its importance in his life), and d) its relevance to the ongoing lives of people--particularly faith communities--and their struggle to stay relevant and financially solvent amidst the current beurocratic changes occurring in the Archdiocese of New York (which have also been well documented in articles such as the NY Times and elsewhere).

Collectively, I believe entries about all culturally and historically significant buildings, landmarks, organizations, businesses, etc... brings great value to the Wikipedia community and allows people to seek information and gain new knowledge about their communities that they might not otherwise have access to. Wikipedia should be a major source of collecting and organizing such information now and in the future.

Again, I had just quickly created a short stub entry on St. Francis de Sales as it had not existed up to this point in other articles on Wikipedia that I had looked at that noted and referenced this building and institution. The larger intent is for this entry to grow as was just noted above. This obviously takes some effort and time--and accordingly I challenge the "marked for deletion" entry and hope the larger community Wikipedia community allows for more adequate time for the wiki entry to be added to by myself and others.

Nathandhernandez (talk) 20:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Imo it is a good idea to make an article look vaguely interesting before putting it up. If the building is of architectural interest it would take only a couple orf minutes to say something on the topic. There are a very large number of churches which are of no interest or significance, and while I am more sympathetic to articles about churches than ones about kick-the-ball players or ephemeral "celebrities", notability needs to be asserted.TheLongTone (talk) 15:23, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's also a good idea to read the article carefully. In this case the article is about the parish, not the church building, and simply being a parish is enough of an assertion of significance to defeat A7 (as can be seen from the many articles about parishes). Moreover, "not interesting" is not a criterion for deletion in any way (just as "interesting" isn't a criterion for inclusion), and certainly not for speedy deletion. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 17:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]