Talk:Starship Troopers 3: Marauder

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Why, Powers That Be, Why?

I don't seriously intend to contribute to this page. I don't intend to ever see the movie. I just felt the need to establish my protest. Ah well. 68.228.89.148 09:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

• To be perfectly honest, it wasn't all that bad. Bare minimum, it was written by the same guy who wrote the first one. -- 98.210.202.92 (talk) 03:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, it was very much like the first film: fun and slightly clever. Don't waste your time on the second film; skip to this one and consider it a direct sequel of the first... Johnskeller (talk) 09:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Fansite

I've browsed the site (ST3.net) a bit and found out that it contains some interviews with the actors from the film, which are not mentioned in the article yet... I therefore advocate leaving the link in the article. I've already formatted it accordingly. --Koveras ^☭ 16:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, normally one fansite is usually allowed. The actor interviews make the site notable and useful as a source of information.-MBK004 16:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

The link on Danny Keough is incorrect. The correct actor's name is Danny Keogh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.200.37 (talk) 11:12, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

More actor and other information! [1] Contralya (talk) 01:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

That is not official that is the fansite already mentioned above, they meant 'starshiptroopers3.net even though they shorted it to to st3.net

The site appears to be dead, and only parts of the sites were ever archived, [Interviews page http://web.archive.org/web/20080410112612/http://www.starshiptroopers3.net/index.php?go=info&id=6&PHPSESSID=8741bf688453ee7b37d9c5f433978387 the list of interviews page] was archived but it seems as if only one of the interviews was ever actually archived: Interview with Paul Taglianetti, who was the Visual effects producer. -- 109.78.211.26 (talk) 00:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Johnny Rico is a General, NOT a Colonel!

The fan site www.starshiptroopers3.net may have some good info about Starship Troopers 3 but there is one thing that is false. Johnny Rico is a General, not a Colonel. The movie takes place after Starship Troopers 2 and after the Starship Troopers 2005 video game. In the video game he is a General, not a Colonel. Since the movie takes place after the video game Johnny Rico is a General, not a Colonel. Johnny Rico never got demoted. That fan site is false. General Mannino (talk) 01:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I#ve seen the movie, and he is a COLONEL at the beginning of the movie.

Yes, Rico is a Colonel in the movie - just watching it. Southsloper (talk) 08:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The film begins with, Rico has a colonel, in command of an unnamed group of troopers at Roku San, he only gets promoted to General in the end, when the Federation having decided that he having proven the marauder unit succesful in combat.Hetelllies (talk) 13:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

At what point is it actually shown that he accepts the promotion? I saw this last night and they offered it too him, and nothing past that refers to him as "General." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.41.82.26 (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Fake Plot

I have removed the fake plot that someone put up. First of all Johnny Rico does not command the Roughnecks anymore, he commands the Marauders, which is why the film is called "Starship Troopers 3: Marauder". Also, there is no proof that religion has made a comeback. Another thing, the plot is just based off the trailer. General Mannino (talk) 03:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

"No proof that religion has made a comeback"? You'll be eating those words when you see the film, the last two minutes or so are full of things screaming "Religion is back" --82.6.90.185 (talk) 15:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Religion has made a comeback, in the final narration of the film, mention of religion is back is a main recurring theme.Oh and god's a citizen too!!!Hetelllies (talk) 13:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

To be clear, the state-sponsored "comeback" is the result of the Admiral being impressed at the way the Bugs are able to use religion to make a loyal drone out of Anoke. I point this out because it's almost subtle and I can see this part of the ending being misinterpereted if and when the plot section is expanded. 202.76.142.198 (talk) 17:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Great God, a subtle plot element in an American teen scifi movie!? What is the universe coming to.JohnC (talk) 07:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Roughnecks

what happened to Carmen Ibanez, Ace, Sgt Zim, Carl etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.26.144 (talk) 19:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

actors are too expensive

Release Date

Can someone please confirm that it is going to be released on July 29th 2008, that is NOT the official release date, that's when the Blu-Ray version comes out, the normal version is supposed to come out on July 15th, please confirm it is the 29th or I will remove it. General Mannino (talk) 17:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

OK! so... what happened to the other characters?

they make no mention of the other characters from the first movie: Carmen, Carl, Rico's freaky white friend (the one that gets the knife in his hand) among many others, I find this very frustrating, they could have at least said they died in battle, but instead, they throw off a bunch of new characters that Rico supposedly knows, but we, the audience have no idea who these ppl are and would like to hear about the other characters we met in the first movie..... So does anyone knows what happened to the other characters? I mean, they dont have to hire actors and show them in the movie, a little bit of dialogue would have solved the problem "Ahhh Carmen, I remember her, good soldier to the end" that was all Rico could have said, that would have made me happy, instead, they dont even say the name Carmen in the whole movie :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tercac (talk • contribs) 07:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

What, like 'Ahh Carmen, had her collarbone penetrated by a bug yet continued to run around and smile like nothing happened'? Comradeash (talk) 13:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...she was a bit too resilient! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.104.4 (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I hope there's a Starship Troopers 4, because they could possibly wrap up some loose ends, like characters from the movies that have stayed alive, and possibly have a bigger budget, similar to the first hopefully, to make another amazing movie and the best sequel yet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.79.63.64 (talk) 02:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Why does the DVD from wal-mart say Presentented by Paul Verhoven?

WTF did he have to do with this, did he contribute and if so shouldn't it be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.14.1 (talk) 03:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• The film's opening credit says "Paul Verhoeven Presents a [whatever the production company's name was] Production" -- or something like that. This is basically an honorary credit given, as Neumeier says in the DVD's commentary, for Verhoeven's help in garnering the interest of financiers, etc., on Neumeier's behalf (don't quote me word for word on that, this is just from memory from listening to it a couple days ago). Neumeier wanted to publicly thank Verhoeven for this and his support of him over the years, thus he gave him this credit. Sir Rhosis (talk) 05:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Satire section

While thoughtful and well written, the section analyzing the films satire seems unverifiable and a bit long. Any way to save the section? BoosterBronze (talk) 21:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Deleted from article in 2008, if anyone wants to see the Deleted Satire and Politics section. In theory it could be turned into a more generic Themes section, but it would take considerable work to find sources and it would still need to be largely rewritten. -- 109.78.211.26 (talk) 00:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Similarly there was another section deleted section relating to the novel. It is a lot less subjective and with a few sources could potentially be added to the Production section, with regards to how Neumeier wrote and developed the film. I vaguely recall reading or watching or reading an interview where Neumeier said he deliberately tried to include more ideas from the books. -- 109.78.211.26 (talk) 00:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Serious cleanup/better sources needed

Removed the following from "Reception" for a few reasons: a.) several of the sources are essentially self-published blogs and movie review opinion columns, and thus shouldn't be used as Wiki sources; b.) the sources that DO have a level of notability and verifiability are almost all directly (and excessively) lifted from the source website (also not to be done for Wiki materials); c.) after spending a ton of time tracking down the info about the particular "critics" referenced, I don't have enough time to personally delete and shorten the passage to the degree needed for it to pass Wiki guidelines on sourcing.

DVD Talk wrote: "Ed Neumeier's work on Sony's new Starship Troopers 3: Marauder is a real surprise (..) the big surprise is that Neumeier's script picks up the nasty satirical vein from the Verhoeven original. We see deeper into the Federation's fascistic war against the bugs, which few seem to think will ever end. This time Neumeier extends his barbed political jabs further, taking aim at the dangerous subject matter of religious propaganda. Early feedback indicates that the audience is split between thinking that the writer-director is selling Christian miracles, or lampooning them. Casper Van Dien is back as Johnny Rico, with ten years' added acting experience. Marauder was released theatrically in several foreign countries but I think it is making its American bow on DVD and Blu-ray. Starship Troopers 3: Marauder is a smartly-conceived Sci-Fi spectacle that harks back to the old days when filmmakers' imaginations were bigger than their special effects budgets -- the direct opposite of conditions today, when a ridiculously expensive groaner like Transformers can grind on for 2.5 hours of mindless action and never tweak a single brain cell (...) Neumeier crams the film with new ideas and content. Real surprises are hidden within the intrigues and plot twists, and every gung-ho scene ("It's a good day to die, Sir!") is followed by a revelation of how power works in a fascist organization. Top military executives jockey for power like the OCP employees of RoboCop. Sky Marshall Anoke becomes an embarrassment with his spiritual rebirth, so the Federation counterfeits his speeches with hologram substitutes. The FedNet media breaks are a bit crude, but they extend the original's cynical humor. Ed Neumeier recognized early that when right wing pundits evaluate societal problems, they invariably "Blame the Victims." News stories cover anti-military rallies led by Elmo Goniff (Joe Vaz) a crippled veteran confined to a wheelchair. When government troops massacre protesters, Goniff's activism is faulted. Media-fed hysteria guarantees a record audience for the televised hangings of dozens of dissidents. Starship Troopers 3: Marauder subsumes the content of older radical Sci-Fi films like Punishment Park. But Neumeier is too clever to deal only in Good Guys and Bad Guys. Federation bigwigs fake assassinations and cause troublesome celebrities to "disappear", but Sky Marshall Anoke seems to have become a Benedict Arnold for the arachnids. Spending too much time in telepathic union with the "Brain Bug" captured in the first film, he's fallen for an arachnid con game and thinks he'll unite the universe in mutual understanding by aiding the arachnid cause. Anoke harks back to 1950s 'fellow traveler' scientists like Robert Cornthwaite's Doctor Carrington in the original The Thing From Another World. When Sci-Fi movies become too cerebral, or get too clever with their ironies, audiences object. Critics reviewing the original 1997 Starship Troopers couldn't see the subversive angle and assumed that Paul Verhoeven was endorsing a tasteless "Fascist Chic" sensibility. Neumeier goes a step further in Marauder by lampooning religious fundamentalism, something that just isn't done these days. The Federation tolerates Christian fundamentalists as long as they don't interfere with the law, and the meek and sincere Holly Little wins over several of her fellow castaways with her hymns and prayers. Neumeier fearlessly lets the pendulum of this theme swing both ways. Holly does improve the morale of her comrades. Her prayer for "angel saviors from the sky" is answered with the same kind of 'miracle' seen in old Hollywood movies like Stagecoach. Then again, Anoke's faith is being cynically manipulated by the arachnid super-intelligence. The movie's funniest and most profound dialogue line comes when Holly discovers that Anoke isn't worshipping the "approved" Christian trinity. She stops in her tracks, and whines in complete disappointment: "But it's the wrong God!" Marauder's script makes all the difference: the truth be told, no studio would allot the "A" effects budget this story would require, without first insisting that Neumeier jettison his provocative content. Nobody watches Roger Corman's It Conquered the World or Attack of The Crab Monsters to see great special effects. Marauder brings back the fun of B-picture monster thrillers with ideas. Casper Van Dien is rugged but spends most of the second half of the picture in captivity, to be trotted out for an obligatory nude scene with a half-dozen other space cadets, male and female. Lola Beck carries much of the show, coming off as acceptably tough (...). Stephen Hogan is excellent as the "enlightened" bigwig Anoke, belting out top ten fascist hit songs and rhapsodizing over communion with a globby monster. Unfortunately for him, the alien beast reads "communion" as "consumption." . Amanda Donohoe is perfect as a devious admiral whose intentions aren't as malevolent as they seem. Sony's Blu-ray of Starship Troopers 3: Marauder presents this ambitious picture in a flawless image with 5.1 tracks in English, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Thai. The extras start with a "Marauder Mode" trivia track that adds images and clips to the usual pop-up information bits. One featurette concentrates on the special effect bugs and a second is a general making-of piece. Ed Neumeier and crew carry one commentary and a second places Neumeier with his stars Van Dien and Jolene Blalock. An extended version of the It's a Good Day to Die song is offered as music video extra."

Critics from IFMAGAZINE like the movie very much: "The sets and locations are good, the acting is surprisingly good, the storyline is decent and there is enough of the political and social commentary (from oppression of religious freedoms, to no right of assembly, to the execution of those that speak out against the war, to propaganda used to hide the truth, to using sex either gay or straight to get people to sign up for the military) that it harkens back to the original. Plus, you gotta love a film that thrives on getting hot chicks naked just to prove the “future” is more “advanced” than us “immature” editors of today because sex is no longer a driving force in this “future.”

MONSTERS AND CRITICS wrote: "The bugs are back, and as promised they are the same old evil creatures, but with some surprises. The intrepid troopers will have to battle the biggest bug brain of them all to rescue their trapped comrades from the mysterious planet of OM-1. In a story set many years into the future all mankind is at war with bugs, huge creepy insects that have universal domination as their goal. Twice before Johnny Rico (Casper Van Dien) has fought these critters, and he has been called in again. This time he is to head a mission called Marauder, which will use the latest bug zapping technology to rescue Sky Marshall Anoke (Stephen Hogan) and Captain Lola Beck (Jolene Blalock) among others from a shipwreck on OM-1. The Federation has been cracking down on terrorists who are the anti-war and religious protestors. They are arrested and hung for their crimes, and Johnny almost shares their fate, due to some misunderstandings that take place on Roku San and result in a massacre of troops. Heading the elite group of troopers as Marauder, he will have to use everything that he knows about the bugs to make the rescue. With a lot of action, bad bugs that you love to hate, a healthy dose of irony, a little nudity, some corny sentimentalism, blood, blown up body parts and yucky bug guts everywhere, this is summertime sci-fi escapist fare for adults. Filmed in South Africa, the planet scenes are very good, evoking a strange place which is ruled by arachnids, with gorgeous sand dunes, the ocean and towering mountains in the background. The sound in some parts of this film is enough to drive you bonkers. It must have been someone’s great idea to let voices reverberate to give authenticity to large metal bunkers, or deeply buried underground chambers housing unnamable secrets. All very effective, except you can’t understand a word anyone is saying. After awhile I quit backing up to hear lines again, I was so weary of trying, I didn’t care if revelations in plot were being delivered. However, the resident scientist popped popcorn, and I made lemonade, and watching this movie we felt like kids on a holiday. Jolene Blalock is terrific, as always, makes the most of her roles, and gives a good performance. Also, the Marauder team was fun to watch, and we wished there was more of their mission and less of the big bug brain story. But hey, we laughed and groaned and said euuuuuww (I said euuuuuw, the resident scientist is more stoic) and had a very good time watching the film."

Ain't It Cool News wrote: "Casper Van Dien returns as Johnny Rico "the hero of Planet P," now a colonel and still following orders to bravely kill the shit out of swarms of giant alien bugs who threaten freedom and liberty and all that. The war goes on and has escalated a little bit because there is a new piece of bug technology, a sort of bug grenade that's like a huge pill bug that gets tossed into your trench, opens up and shoots out electricity. I like that. Not that much of a threat to the humans though, at least compared to their new Q-Bomb, which can crack a planet in half. (...) There's alot more of the Federal Network propaganda, the highlight being the character of Sky Marshall Anoke (Stephen Hogan), a high ranking military official, psychic and pop star beloved for his patriotic anthem "A Good Day To Die." It's a good song, so perfectly clueless and insidious it should get some kind of DTV Oscar. You get to hear it again on the end credits. (...)

BUZZINE.COM writes: "A much smaller film than the original $100 million Starship Troopers yet bigger than the came-and-went Starship Troopers 2, round three is by far the best of the series. Edward Neumeier wrote the first episode based on a Robert Heinlein novel of the same name for director Paul Verhoevon, who definitely put his own exciting stamp on things (Neumeier had previously penned Robocop for director Verhoevan). Neumeier also scripted Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation - a cheaply produced sequel using none of the original cast. But finally, Neumeier was given the directing reins as well, and although he could not afford as many bugs as Verhoeven - who may have had relentlessly too many at times - Neumeier has just the right amount of terrifying CGI arachnids to propel a very funny and intelligent script. The social and political satire only hinted at in the first film has been fully realized in the third, as we watch our fascist future-brethren battle an onslaught of giant, highly evolved insects from outer space. The story begins with Colonel Johnny Rico (Casper Van Dien), the bug-killing commando from Starship Troopers 1, leading a team to assist Federation troopers on the remote, bug-infested planet OM-1. The human farmers there complain about the authoritarian military presence, however, which is hang-by-neck seditious per Federation rules. Meanwhile, Sky Marshall Anoke (Stephen Hogan), the Federation pop-star/president, arrives with (no less) Rico’s ex-girlfriend Lola Beck (Jolene Blalock), now a sexy spaceship commander, and her imposing new beau, Dix Hauser (Boris Kodjoe), former friend of Rico and now his superior. Before a potential love triangle can heat up, Rico crosses Dix by defending some farmers - only to get arrested for it. But bugs overrun the place and the Sky Marshall barely escapes with Lola and a motley crew - only to crash-land on another, even more dangerous, bug-infested planet. Rico is taken back to earth to hang for treason and, after falling through rigged gallows, is reprieved for a secret mission to rescue the beloved Sky Marshall, whose absence is hidden from the populace. Space opera? You bet! And Neumeier milks it to the hilt, including an absolutely hilarious (and timely) take-no-prisoner skewering of authoritarian militarism and some nutty characters who protest it -religious fanatics as well as the anti-religious. The beauty of Starship Troopers 3 is that it has a cohesive story structure yet plot turns one cannot predict, enough bug-blasting action and suspense to drive things along, and very smart, well-executed humor. Where many try and most fail, Neumeier simply has the comic director’s touch. The film’s last act builds and builds and, while not revealing what occurs, suffice it to say, it’s absolutely bring-down-the-house funny. In that regard, the director is aided greatly by Casper Van Dien as Johnny Rico, a charismatic actor with perfectly chiseled, action-figure good looks but graced with a comedian’s understanding of the joke - and the nuanced chops and timing to understate when needed. Neumeier gets fine performances all around. Jolene Blalock, as love (triangle) interest Lola Beck, is hot, (emotionally) bothered, and dangerous. Boris Kodjoe, as Dix Hauser, gives a believable performance as a man torn between his law and his love. British import Stephan Hogan is wonderful as the singing fascist Sky Marshall Anoke, who finally finds God…although “the wrong one,” according to ship-wrecked born-again space stewardess Holly Little (Marnette Patterson) who also turns in a bravura comic performance. Last but not least is the venerable Amanda Donohoe (another great Brit), playing the politically ambitious Admiral Enolo Phid who deliciously schemes for and against everyone else. Starship Troopers 3: Marauder is not a perfect film - it might have used a little mid-point trimming. But the same can be said about The Dark Knight. After you’ve seen The Dark Knight, go rent ST3 to continue the ride. Unfortunately, Starship Troopers 3 is not being released theatrically in the U.S. (it is in Japan and elsewhere), but it is a film of sufficient originality, intelligence, and entertainment value that we predict a long and loyal following."

DREAD CENTRAL writes: "Starship Troopers 3: Marauder is in many ways a return to form for the franchise. Writer of the first two films Ed Neumeier finds himself in the director's chair, and this dude, more than anyone, knows what makes this series tick ... dark brutal satire, of which there is a ton to be found here. Yep, bug ass-kicking hasn't been this good in a long time."

MOVIEHOUSE wrote: "It's good enough to have turned me around on the series, and it's excellent for a direct-to-vid effort. Like the original, it strikes a pretty good balance between stirring heroics, satire, and parallels to our own times. It also introduces some interesting ideas."

COLONEL'S CRYPT wrote: "In all, STARSHIP TROOPERS 3 is the sequel that fans of the original will like, as it compliments the original well. Its fun, cheesy, and very corny in its delivery, which is what made the original so much fun. You may not get many of the “in jokes” throughout the film, but it is worth a viewing and definitely will make a nice double feature to watch with the original."

Wikipedia is not supposed to be the cut-and-paste movie review website, so if this stays in, in neeeeeeds cleanup.

P.S. Here's hoping that some bot doesn't think I'm vandalizing the page....

78.104.124.148 (talk) 14:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

So apparently the person behind Starshiptroopers3.net keeps coming in and adding the fansite, removing cleanup and source tags, and cut-and-pasting selected reviews about the film, all of which have been quoted in ways that support the idea of the film having received very positive reviews... which is inaccurate to say the least. Reverting the page to the last "fixed" version I can find, and will try to get the attention of an admin to watch/semi-proc the page if possible (since the ST3.net person always comes in on "anon" IPs starting with 83.....) JasonDUIUC (talk) 19:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

This is a cheesy American teen sci-fi - which is to say it isn't worth thinking about, much less writing about. However as people have gone to the length of doing so, might I suggest that the plot description should be abbreviated, and should be less colloquial. Soon American teen grammatical mistakes are so bad as to render the meaning obscure.JohnC (talk) 08:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Those excessively long quotes were bad but there was a problem of undue emphasis on the positive reviews but it was a pity all those reviews were deleted entirely instead of deleting a few selectively and trimmed the quotes back to reasonable lengths. DVDTalk and AintItCoolNews reviews are still live and could be included in the article.

I found an archived copy of the DVDTown and was almost going to include it in the article until I realized only page 1 of 2 pages were actually archived. Also here's the Archived Copy of IFmagazine review, and decided not to add that back either, but they did interview Casper Van Dien and that might turn out to be a useful reference. -- 109.78.211.26 (talk) 00:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

References

Nazi Parallel

Does anyone else see the relationship betwen Anoke and Admiral Phid as being the same relationship between Rudolf Hess and Martin Bormann? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.219.153.207 (talk) 22:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

No. --220.150.93.114 (talk) 11:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Not at all. Bizarre idea. However there are parallals between the Starship Troopers universe and nazism - or the modern American military-industrial complex. Take your pick.JohnC (talk) 08:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

overly positive review section

Dear god its the worst film I've ever seen, the OTT stuff that stood out as funny in the first one seams to make up most of this file, that combined with a ridiculously obvious political/moral plot made me feel nauseous at points. Now while i could right essays on how bad this film is, i realise wikipedia is not my soapbox, however the review section does seam very positive for such a bad film.--86.15.153.179 (talk) 20:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I wonder what you'd consider a good movie? This flick was great the first time i saw it, and with each viewing it just keeps getting better. Id have to say it's better than 99% of the hollywood factory bull and deserves the positive reviews. Its an A+ film if you can get past the lack of overpayed actors and the absence of a multi million dollar hype machine whispering into your head. 96.2.120.230 (talk) 03:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Q-Bomb

In the plot it should be mentioned that the Q-Bomb is the weapon which will end the war finally by eliminating every bug planet. Fansoft (talk) 20:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I wonder if Q-bomb is an intentional reference to the Peter Sellers film The Mouse That Roared? Wish I could find a source to confirm if Edward Neumeier did it deliberately or not, the production section doesn't yet mention any comedic influences. -- 109.78.196.145 (talk) 14:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

TBS Shelf Of Excellence

The article previously mentioned that Conan inducted the film into the "TBS Shelf Of Excellence".[2] It was clearly a sarcastic jab at TBS, but we already include negative awards like the Stinkers or the Razzies so I'm undecided about restoring it to the article. -- 109.78.198.192 (talk) 03:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Unlike the Stinkers or the Razzies which gave annual awards, Conan O'Brien is a talk show host not an awards body, so in hindsight the "award" he made up for a joke clearly should not have been included. -- 109.77.205.32 (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Fan film?

Details about a fan film were added to the sequels section.[3] It is not an official sequel. I'm not sure a fan film meets the notability requirements of Wikipedia, and it should probably be reverted. (If it should be included at all, and I'm really not convinced it should be, then it might be a better fit for the article Starship Troopers (franchise) rather than this article.) -- 109.76.132.159 (talk) 18:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Generally, sections within an article as opposed to full articles do not fall under the WP:Notability requirements. I am also not aware of any specific restrictions with regard to fan films. Are you? At least there are a number of full articles on fan films. It all comes down to the question if reliable sources talk about the topic. I believe that is the case for this award-winning fan film, as attested by several sources present in the article. For the question if this is the right place to put this, I'd like to throw in that putting it at Starship Troopers (franchise) would be at a significantly more prominent place, and the structure of that article would need to be adapted. I am not sure that would be a better solution, but if you want to move the information there, you can of course try that out. Daranios (talk) 10:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

If you think that fan film is notable enough to have an article of its own WP:GNG then go for it. (I don't think a fan film winning fan film awards proves what you think it proves either.) If not notability then relevance or weight. It is not relevant to this film, I do no think it belongs here at all. -- 109.79.161.115 (talk) 17:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

As you said, WP:GNG refers to topics which have their own article. That policy very specifically says: "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists." And if what is to say about a topic "is very short (consisting of perhaps only one or two sentences) and is, in your opinion as editor, unlikely to be expanded within a "reasonable" (unspecified) amount of time, it often makes sense to merge it". That's why I have put it here. I have reverted your removal of the content, because I do not agree with that. Which at the moment means, there is no consensus for the removal. If you would like to have it removed permanently, please get consenus first, which means input of significantly more editors who agree with you. Also, I'd like to see a policy based reason for the removal. "Fan film does not belong here." in my view just amounts to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Daranios (talk) 18:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

That you happen to like this fan film does not make it noteworthy. Is not relevant to this article, it isn't notable or noteworthy, the relevant Wikipedia rule then is that it is not WP:DUE any attention here. As I previously suggested it might fit in Starship Troopers (franchise) article, I seriously doubt that a fan film belongs in this encyclopedia at all. I'm not convinced any of the sources meet the requirements of reliable sources they are only enough to verify that this fan film exists, but do not show the film is worth mentioning in this encyclopedia, or this article specifically. Some coverage of this fan film by mainstream media sources would help, but I believe the WP:ONUS is still on you to prove this belongs in this article specifically. (The grammar would also need work if editors really believe it should be retained in this article or anywhere else.)

Please also note WP:NOTPROMO and if you happen to be have been involved with making this fan film it would be a conflict of interest to add it to Wikipedia. -- 109.79.161.115 (talk) 19:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not involved with the film, I don't specifically like or dislike it as I have never seen it. Any reason why the listed sources should not be reliable? As I said, the fact that it is a fan film is not a reason not to include it in the encyclopedia, as shown by a number of articles we have on fan films. I would of course be happy about any improvement of grammar.

Further online sites featering the film are https://www.scifinews.de/news/filme/starship-troopers-6-deadlock-2022-fan-film-kostenfrei-erh%C3%A4ltlich-r13998/ https://artcollectivemagazine.com/2022/02/16/steffen-werner/ https://cultcritic.co/review/starship-troopers-deadlock-. It has also received another award by the Calcutta International Cult Films Festival That's what I've got.

WP:DUE may be a concern, but I guess we agree at this point that it is not notable enough for a stand-alone article. However, I believe the minor awards and coverage it has received warrant the condensed mention as it has now.

I think it should be covered here because it is set after Starship Troopers 3: Marauder, which already has a section dedicated to sequels, and Hollywood Gold Awards has described it as such. And, in the end, because of WP:DUE, it fits better here than under Starship Troopers (franchise) in my view. Daranios (talk) 21:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

It was and still is totally inappropriate to crowbar a fan film into this article. Also no effort has been made to fix the abysmal grammar (example: "praises it to be a sequel to Starship Troopers 3"). -- 109.79.73.89 (talk) 11:21, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

That example was a direct quote. If you prefer, you could take this version, or WP:JUSTFIXIT yourself. Bad grammar is no reason for deleting something according to WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM. You have not yet explained why you think the secondary sources provided should not count as reliable. I guess an outside opinion would be good, so I'll request one. Daranios (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not finding any high quality reliable sources about this fan film. If it was a significant fan film (see Spider-Man: Lotus), I would imagine multiple sources would have reported on it. No, I would not want this in the article, and most definitely not under a Sequel section (because it is not a sequel). Hollywood Gold Awards is not notable and I would not trust a source that could not use proper grammar. Mike Allen 19:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@MikeAllen: Thanks for the input. Daranios (talk) 19:47, 28 October 2023 (UTC)