Talk:Sung Wong Toi
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Year?
[edit]The inscription of the stone marks it was made in Qing dynasty. Is the inscription really the one made in Song dynasty? — HenryLi (Talk) 11:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Zhao Bing's Death
[edit]This article says that "Zhao Bing committed suicide", but the Song Dynasty article says that an imperial courtier jumped over a cliff with him in his arms. This would suggest that the boy king had little choice in the matter. Which is correct? Rodparkes 06:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- A quote from Outlines of Chinese History by Li Ung Bing from 1914 who follows closely the traditional accounts (names in Wade-Giles):
- After the death of Tuan Tsung, which took place on an island on the Kuangtung coast, the Chinese hope centered in his brother, Ti Ping. Him, the Chinese placed on the throne, although what had remained of their empire was now but a small island called Ai Shan. In less than a year, this island was blockaded by a Mongol fleet. With all means of supply and communication cut off, Lu Hsiu-fu, the commanding Chinese general, took his master upon his shoulders, and jumped into the sea, thus burying the Chinese cause with its last representative in a watery grave. Guss2 20:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have changed the article to reflect this. Everyguy 15:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- After the death of Tuan Tsung, which took place on an island on the Kuangtung coast, the Chinese hope centered in his brother, Ti Ping. Him, the Chinese placed on the throne, although what had remained of their empire was now but a small island called Ai Shan. In less than a year, this island was blockaded by a Mongol fleet. With all means of supply and communication cut off, Lu Hsiu-fu, the commanding Chinese general, took his master upon his shoulders, and jumped into the sea, thus burying the Chinese cause with its last representative in a watery grave. Guss2 20:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Sung Wong Toi Park
[edit]Matthew hk argued in this and this edit that the park will be relocated. The source he quoted got nothing about relocation. It only says part of the new development area will be designated part of the park. It is not known from the source he quoted whether the existing park will be preserved or designated for other use(s). I'd suggest taking out that whole paragraph altogether until we figured out what exactly would happen. 1.64.46.31 (talk) 16:24, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Mind to just search the news article/press release yourself? This links are about the Sung Wong Toi rock / park/ garden will be once again relocated. https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr19-20/chinese/fc/pwsc/papers/p19-27c.pdf https://www.news.gov.hk/isd/ebulletin/tc/category/infrastructureandlogistics/051109/html/051109tc06002.htm Matthew hk (talk) 16:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- This PWSC paper got nothing about the relocation. You may also be interested to take a look at paragraph 34.2 of this document. The 2005 plan may no longer be valid. 1.64.46.31 (talk) 17:05, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- I don't mind to rewording to there was a plan to relocate the garden/park to past tense or state this may be not yet (never/really ) happens. Matthew hk (talk) 09:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- While for the legco document: it is the item "29. Reprovisioning and Improvement of Sung Wong Toi Playground", in Chinese they uses 重置. And the CEDD map https://www.ktd.gov.hk/eng/programmeandprogress.html indicate the new site is inside Kai Tak not at the edge. But on the same website the item is under "(3) Under Planning and Design: Former North Apron area". Matthew hk (talk) 09:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- The PWSC paper actually referred under item no. 29 to the Sung Wong Toi Playground, which is adjacent to Sung Wong Toi Garden. (And that new park as appeared on the plan is very close to the edge if not immediately on the edge, iff that's going to be relevant.) 1.64.46.31 (talk) 19:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- If you got no further point to add, please take out that paragraph until you are able to locate reliable sources for what you claimed. In the meantime how that could be reworded may be deliberated here. 1.64.46.31 (talk) 19:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)