Talk:Svarta ballader (album)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kusma (talk · contribs) 18:44, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Will take this one, probably today or tomorrow-ish. —Kusma (talk) 18:44, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks, I hope you enjoy it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Progress and general comments

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Let's get started...

• Images on the Commons would benefit from a {{PD-1996}} tag to indicate their US copyright status. The cover image is ok (I've amended the non-free use rationale).
  • Added over there.
• We do have a few more images of the singer in c:Category:Sofia Karlsson (musician), but I would accept an argument of them being a bit redundant with the cover image.
  • My view entirely.
• Clearly stable, no nontrivial edits by anyone but you, and you seem not to edit war with yourself much.
  • Noted!
• The "HighResAudio" source (18) and the "iTunes" source (30) are the same text. On iTunes, we even get an author (Chris Nickson). I suspect that actually the original source is Allmusic: [1], apparently a reasonably reliable source. In any case these should be combined.
  • Done.

• Citation formatting is generally fine, but (9) would look prettier with {{Cite wikisource}}.
  • Done.

• Does not look or smell like copyvio, and everything is attributed properly, and does not appear to be original research.
  • Noted.
• Sources are reliable for this type of content.
  • Noted.
    • And I've checked that the online sources actually say what you claim they say, and they do.
• Major aspects covered, not too detailed, and no neutrality issues.
  • Noted.
• Final MoS issue (I hope): Swedish should best be wrapped in {{lang}} for accessibility (to make screen readers happy).
  • I've marked the poem text with a lang tag; I'd not think we should mark song/album titles as such, it feels wrong; just as I wouldn't tag the name of a newspaper. Whatever.
    • I won't insist. The poem definitely needs it.
• Sorry about doing these so piecemeal: while double checking whether everything corresponds to the sources, I found a discrepancy: the source [1] says she won a Grammis for Visor från vinden, not for Folk Songs; this also makes more sense corresponding to the years (which are again the years the Grammis were awarded for I guess). "She won the 2005, 2007, 2009 and 2011 Grammis for her albums ..." might be an easy way to phrase it accurately.
  • That's all right. Fixed.

Content and prose review

• Lead is a bit short, but perhaps I'll say more about this when I have a better feel for what else should be included.
  • Yes, best done at the end.
• Sofia Karlsson: there is quite a lot of information on what she did after this album, and only very little on things like what instruments she plays or what her voice is like that could be more relevant in this context.
  • Added.
• Dan Andersoon: Is there a "Swedish proletarian school"? If yes, link to that? If not, consider not linking to Sweden but to Proletarian literature instead?
  • Good idea, done.
    • This should best be done not just in the lead but also the Dan Anderson section.
      • Done.
• I assume the translation is yours, but after looking at Dan Andersson, I would expect there are other translations of his works that could be mentioned here (are the Svarta ballader in any of the collections in English?)
  • As far as I can tell, the entirety of Svarta ballader has never been published in English. Some of the poems such as "Omkring tiggarn från Luossa" have been translated into English (on the web). I don't know of any definitive list of which ones have appeared in printed books in English, though I think it isn't many.
    • OK, I just saw some lists of translated poetry collections in his article, and assumed there would be most of these in there. I haven't tried to dig.
• You could mention here that he also made some music for his songs (it comes in the Reception section right now, a bit unexpected)
  • Good idea, done.
    • The new He set a few of his poems to music, not including any of those on the album. confuses me: what about Till min syster?
      • Fixed.
• "a log cabin named Luossa" might be better as "a log cabin named Luossa"
  • Done.
• Composition: could be "Compositions"? And there could be an intro sentence telling us that several composers are involved.
  • The composition process; and added a sentence.
• The paragraphs are a bit short. Consider combining some?
  • Done.
• Reception: it could be clearer (perhaps by using some direct quotes in quote marks) that the Svenska Dagbladet paragraph is a paraphrase of the review (it kind of mixes factual reporting and opinion). This is similar in the Sonoloco review, while it is clearer for RootsWorld.
  • Added attributions.
• Sales and prizes: double check the Grammis award: the source (and this one) says she won "Årets visa: Sofia Karlsson – Svarta ballader (sjunger Dan Andersson)". Our article Grammis doesn't mention her at all (which seems odd).
  • 'Årets visa' means "[Traditional] Song of the year", while that source is the actual "Grammis winners through the years", i.e. she won the Grammis in that category. One can not do better than that. The Wikipedia article currently omits all the 'Årets visa' listings: in fact, it lists the winners of only 16 of the 21 Grammis categories, which is pretty remiss of it really. The muddle is compounded by the fact that "Årets låt" (which I'd translate as 'Tune of the year', or maybe 'Popsong of the year') is rendered "Song of the year" in the Wikipedia Grammis article, making it look as if the 'Årets visa' category is covered by the article, when it isn't.
    • Ah, that makes more sense. Maybe include the Swedish for clarity as there are two "songs of the year"?
      • Done.
    • Additionally it seems from my Grammis source that she won the prize for 2005 in 2006. This could be clarified. Also, the Rocket.fm Grammis sources 23 and 27 are both the same and should be combined.
      • Yes, all the Grammis awards are for year N, given in year N+1, a fruitful further source of confusion. Added a gloss. And merged the refs.
        • Seems you did this to the other prize, not the Grammis?
          • Repositioned.
• What is the Dan Andersson prize?
  • A Swedish prize for writing related to Dan Andersson's work.
• Participants: Consider linking some of the instruments (bandoneon, cittern, pedal steel guitar, bouzouki)
  • Done.
• Do you mean one of the other instruments at contrabass or just a standard double bass?
  • The ordinary double bass.

Enough for today, will take another look tomorrow. Nice little article, needs just some checks and maybe a little polishing. —Kusma (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

• • Thanks.

• Still need to discuss lead section. It does not currently summarise the entire article; there is nothing about the composition, the instruments, or the critical reception. I'd expect something like two paragraphs, one about background and composition and the other one about reception and sales. Something about the chart position could also be added; it gives more context to the 60,000 sales.
  • Good idea, done all that!
    • Much better. The only thing still making me unhappy is imprecision about the Grammis, both in the lead ("in 2005") and in the Sales and prizes section, where it is now "in 2005 (for 2005)". It is probably not worth talking much about the details (I am happy with the slightly ambiguous "2005 Grammis"), but the statement should be correct and consistent. —Kusma (talk) 08:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
      • Woops, fixed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
• All done, promoting. —Kusma (talk) 08:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)