Talk:The Comeback Seattle/GA1

GA Review

Passed. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 04:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: TrademarkedTWOrantula (talk · contribs) 23:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, last restaurant of 2023, let's get this started! TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 23:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More of a bar than a restaurant, so less detail re: food. :) But looking forward to addressing any concerns you may have. Thanks for reviewing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Article does not have any typos. Text flows smoothly.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Lead section is of adequate length. Article complies with the layout guideline presented in MOS:LAYOUT. Article is free of words present in the WTW list. Fiction and list incorporation guidelines do not apply.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	No bare URLs; references are fully formatted.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	References cite reliable sources. Well referenced, and put simply, things that need to be referenced are referenced.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Spotchecking safely proves that there is text-source integrity.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	~~Two lengthy quotes are pasted into the article. I'll give Another Believer some time to fix this, but until then, this article fails criterion 2D.~~ Issue addressed. Pass.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	The article talks about how the restaurant was founded, who owned it, how the restaurant looked like, and where it was located.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Article stays focused.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	No neutrality problems here.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Article is stable and has had no edit wars.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Logo has full non-free rationale. Interior and exterior images are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license since the images are Another Believer's own work.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	The logo, exterior, and interior images sufficiently give visual context for the reader. Captions are suitable.
	7. Overall assessment.	Happy New Year, Another Believer! Here's to a million more good articles!

Quickfail?

I don't spot any massive flaws. Well sourced and referenced.
- Like ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any cleanup banners or citation needed tags.
- Like ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is stable.
- Like ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding copyvios and plagiarism, a plethora amount of text is copied from two sources. These quotes could easily be summarized within a few sentences. Earwig report can be found here.
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the first GA review.
- Yup! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing + other important issues

I'm unfamiliar with some of these sources. Could you explain what makes Seattle Gay News and The Stranger reliable?
- Seattle Gay News is an established weekly newspaper in Seattle, and The Stranger is an established alternative biweekly newspaper in the city. Both have been around for decades. I see both used elsewhere on Wikipedia and neither source is listed here. I hope this helps. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd recommend aligning the two interior images to the right; the text is awkwardly pushed to the right, and there's one line of text sticking out.
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Description

that catered to the LGBT community
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
R Place should be linked first time in the body
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why mentioning a taco truck outside of the building is relevant to the article. If it is, then who owns it? What brand is it?
- To me, the purpose of the sentence is to describe the environment and food options for bar patrons. A writer for The Seattle Times said the taco truck was not to be missed, but the owner and name are not known. I think there's a rule in Seattle that all establishments serving alcohol must also sell food; some businesses accomplish this by hosting food trucks, collaborating with nearby kitchens, or allowing patrons to bring in food from other businesses. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Modular walls [allowed] the space to accommodate different needs on different nights, and [there was] a gaming area with pool tables and dartboards near gender-neutral restrooms." -> The building consisted of modular walls, a agme area to play darts and pool tables, and gender-neutral restrooms.
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The part saying "an assortment of" is a little unnecessary to me.
- I'm willing to remove altogether, if you prefer, but for now I've trimmed and paraphrased since I see this as part of a description of the bar's interior and layout. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History

"Lovelady's presence makes The Comeback, at least in part, R Place's spiritual successor." -> that with Lovelady managing The Comeback, he felt as if it was "R Place's spiritual successor."
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The building was a shell. We took the soul of R Place and are plugging it into this new space. We bought everything from inside R Place to give people that familiarity, and of course we're bringing back the shows and the music and the dynamic performers that put R Place and Seattle on the map, as far as a destination LGBTQIA establishment. -> I'm really not sure if this quote is necessary. If it is, you could probably say something like: "According to Lovelady, The Comeback was meant to match the spirit and mood of R Place by bringing back old attractions."
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is took over quoted?
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How large was R Place (in sq ft)?
- The Description section says The Comeback was approximately 9,000 square feet, so we can make an assumption without specifically adding the square footage of R Place. I think the square footage of R Place belongs on the R Place article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. I did not see that. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is Andrew Houston an architect?
- I assume a designer, not an architect. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"I hope the site becomes a destination for the LGBTQ community to gather — those from all slices of life under the umbrella — and celebrate ourselves and our community in many different ways. This project is important to me because it represents the continuation of local Capitol Hill history in spirit as well as a new chapter for what part or parts of Seattle have created their own safe spaces for LGBTQ Seattleites." -> Houston told Seattle Gay News that he was proud of his work, as the bar "represents the continuation of local Capitol Hill history in spirit".
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In December if we're talking about December 2023
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is quiet launch quoted? This could be subtly elaborated on.
- I think more appropriate to change and link to "soft launch". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...mid February (the slight delay was caused by supply chain issues on doors) -> ...mid-February due to supply chain issues.
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What ten weeks specifically in 2022 was the drag competition hosted?
- I would say this is not an important detail about the bar. The year is good enough. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
a post on social media
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What a blast we have had! You have been with us since the beginning, first at R Place, and then followed us to the Comeback. We survived a pandemic and came out stronger! Now, as we look back at how we helped shape a vibrant community in Seattle, we realize that it is time for us to step aside and let the new generation of DJs, entertainers, and fans continue making Seattle's LGBTQIA+ community the best it can be. A sunset of the Comeback is only the prelude to brighter times to come. We look forward to seeing what is in store for Seattle. Thank you for all your support over the years.
- One: Who's the social media post from? Two: This quote could be shortened. See my comment below.
- Proposed rewritten version: "The Comeback closed on April 30, 2023. According to a social media post, the bar closed as a decision to "step aside" and let other companies (restaurants?) influence the LGBTQ+ scene in Seattle.
  - I went with, "According to a social media post, the bar closed as a decision to "step aside" and let others influence the Seattle's LGBT community and scene." ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Last sentence could be moved to fourth paragraph (the one above the quote burger, ending with the word "parties")
- I think this is fine merged into the paragraph above, since the quote has been removed. Does the current version work for you? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm surprised this bar doesn't have an official website. Is there really none?
- I just found an Instagram account. If I knew the URL, I could search the Internet Archive. Either way, an official website is not required and can always be added at a later date, if an archived version is found. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecking

I will spotcheck eight sources. (approximately half)
#4
- Y the gay bar R Place, which had operated on Capitol Hill.
- Y opened The Comeback in early 2022
- Y The Comeback had a "blowout" liquor sale,
#6
- Y The space was approximately 9,000 square feet and had a seating capacity of 150 to 200 people. The building consisted of modular walls, a game area to play darts and pool, and gender-neutral restrooms.
- Y "spiritual successor"
- Y The Comeback was Lovelady's first bar to own.
- Y the business was hiring bar-backs, bartenders, hosts, servers, and other positions
#8
- Y opened The Comeback in early 2022 - implied, but nevertheless proves the statement
- Y Silky Nutmeg Ganache headlined "Lashes" in February.
#9
- Y Previously, Lovelady was the general manager of the gay bar R Place.
#11
- Y The SoDo location, approximately twice as large as R Place,
#12
- Y The Comeback's redesign was led by Andrew "Ace" Grant Houston
#13
- Y In November 2021, Eater Seattle said The Comeback was planning to open in December.
#15
- Y an after party for a bar crawl held in conjunction with Pride Month,

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: I've taken a first stab at addressing your concerns. I'll let you finish your review and please let me know if any concerns remain. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, passing this article... TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 04:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.