Talk:The Unknown Soldier (2017 film)/GA1

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Reviewer: Cognissonance (talk · contribs) 05:09, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I'll take this one. Cognissonance (talk) 05:09, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

The review was done parallel with Talk:The Unknown Soldier (novel)/GA1.

Infobox

• Why does "Oy" follow "Elokuvaosakeyhtiö Suomi 2017"? Oy is short for osakeyhtiö, limited liability company. I removed it as it doesn't add anything.
• The box office gross is not mentioned.

  Box Office Mojo is doing some weird stuff for the movie, see ref 48 [1]. For example, gross from Finland is only included from 2017, Sweden and Norway are not appearing at all, but then again Iceland is (even though Iceland's internal gross revenue for the film is totally wacko as well). Most likely some parameters or files are not linking properly in Mojo? Therefore I haven't included any concluding box office gross as of yet. I could put something like box office gross for 2017 in Finland, but is that useful?

Synopsis

• The subsections are almost exact copies of those from the novel's article. Can you find an essay or guideline that justifies this? Alternatively, there could simply be a Template:Main preceding them, although prose different to that of its counterpart would still be needed.

  Nope, but is there something that dejustifies/clarifies it? All of the movies and the novel are pretty much de facto copies of each other setting and plot-wise (ofc stuff from the novel is cut off, but the main plot) and I can't really find anything conclusive in WP:FILM. For Setting, I could put a main template, include a claim that the settings are very similar, and then concise and twist the section a bit to differentiate it. But should I amend the plot summary as well? I can do a short comparative study of similar novel-film relationships later on .. (checked out Thin Red Line, but that didn't help at all).

  Update: The whole Synopsis section now has a main template; Characters and settings was cut by 1/2 and partly rewritten with different prose, ditto for Plot summary by cutting 1/3 and rewriting.

Cast

• "His verbal skills are unmatched" – This reads like WP:POV. True and quite useless as well. Removed.
• "Aho's casting came as a surprise" – To whom? Added attribution to newspaper.
• "since he had mostly played villains" – Improve prose: "considering he had mostly played villains". Done.
• "who is against any inhumane behaviour during the war" – "during the war" is unnecessary, unless he is for inhumane behaviour during peacetime.
• "The glowing stove of the company" – What the hell?
• "incessantly chuckling" – This also reads like a WP:POV; "Tavastian private" works well on its own.
• "unrelenting and disciplined" – Only one of these is needed; "disciplined" best describes a platoon leader.
• I'm finding more adjectives that are either POV or close synonyms to preceding words, for example, "quiet and enigmatic" and "cold and unempathetic". This needs to be redressed.

  Yeah, seems like an acute phase of fill-space-with-nonsense frenzy by yours truly. I did a sweep of the whole cast section and deleted anything that sounded too cheesy and NPOV. See if it's ok now.

Production

• Link the first mention of "euros" to Euro. Done (note, its now in lede, infobox and 1st main body mention).
• Link "Aku Louhimies" to Aku Louhimies. Done (lede, infobox and 1st main body mention).
• Maidenhead Advertiser (ref. 29) is dead. Archive. Works for me ([2]). Tried running InternetArchiveBot too and come's up with nothing.

Themes

• "it allows Finns and especially young Finns" – Sentence runs wild. Stick with the first, more general claim. True, amended.
• "His intention was to highlight the individuals taking part in war instead of glorifying conflict" – This repeats the quote from before. Pick one, although paraphrasing is desirable over quotation. Gosh, I'm so blind during heavy build-up and editing. Removed quote and kept paraphrasing.

Release / Reception

• Both sections have present tense language. Past tense should be applied. All present tense should now be past tense.
• "official centenary anniversary year programme of the independence of Finland" – This is a mouthful, I would suggest replacing it with "centenary of Finnish independence". Oh god yes.
• "It premiered solely in Finland" – No need for "solely", as it is implied in the sentence. Done.
• "were dampened from the previous versions" – Clarify: "were diminished compared to previous adaptations". Done.
• "the film does not justify its existence since it does not separate itself from the novel's previous two film adaptations boldly enough" – This is also a mouthful. I suggest simplifying it with "the film fails to justify its existence because it was too similar to the novel's previous two film adaptations". Though you lose the word "boldly", it's easier to read. Very true, amended.
• ""Big, powerful and impressive. And very sad," said Johan Croneman" – The sentence structure is bad form, and would do better if it conformed with the style of the rest of the section: X said Y was. Done and transformed the first quote into paraphrase-ish.

Overall

Holding off promotion of The Unknown Soldier (novel) until the issue concerning both is settled. As for this one, on hold. Cognissonance (talk) 12:48, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cognissonance: Thank you again! I think I've addressed your minor comments now. Waiting on further guidance in the unresolved ones and comments on my suggestions. Manelolo (talk) 14:49, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I actually just ended up following your "Alternatively, there could simply be a Template:Main preceding them, although prose different to that of its counterpart would still be needed." advice for the Synopsis part. Manelolo (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

@Manelolo: What you did with the Synopsis looks good, both referring to the original text and distinguishing itself from it. I added the box office gross to the infobox, per Box Office Mojo. Great work. Cognissonance (talk) 21:41, 6 February 2018 (UTC)