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Birthdays and stuff

Here's something I posted on the adult swim boards. Do you guys think any of it is worth noting in the article?

I've concluded these dates from clues in the shows and pop culture jokes. Venture Brothers follows real-time and season 1 took place over a span of 2 years, oddly. In Careers in Science, the then current training video for Gargantua-1 is copyrighted for 1971 and Rusty was 10 years old and lived on the station at the time as his father built it. From that date, you can calculate his age, as he has mentioned in season 1 that he is 43. Also, He was a grad student when Brock was a freshmen, making him about three years older than Brock. Rusty lost his virginity at 24.

I've concluded that Dr. Venture was born in 1961. He was 43 in season 1 and is now 45. Brock was born in 1964. He's 42 currently. Past Tense takes place in 1983. Brock joined OSI in 1985 at age 21, exactly 21 years before the current episode, which takes place in real-time. Original Hank and Dean were born in 1986. They've died 14 times, and we are witnessing the 15th set. Hank and Dean were concieved 21 years ago when Rusty was 24, the moment he lost his virginity. That makes the boys roughly 20 years old if they had not died.

but because the clones have died before they could reach that age, the new clones take over and are at the age of the first two when they died, which I suppose is now 16? I believe the concept with "clone slugs" is that they aggressively develop to the desired age instead of growing from infants in natural time, although I don't believe they contain the genetic information to progress at an excellerated rate past the age of the original cloned organism. One they wake up and leave their skinless slug state, they begin to age in a normal rate.

Brock and Dr. Venture confused about their birthday? I believe they count a birthday everytime a clone is born, and this is the 15th set, making it the 16th birthday(counting the originals)..so thusly, they thought it was 15, but it's actually 16...they got confused/lost count...or just forgot to count the originals. -DDV

Wow, that is some very nice detective work. I think the 15th/16th birthday was just put in there for comedic effect and probably doesnt mean anything. Also, take note that Dr. Orpheus stated in Assassinanny 911 that "...this [year] was a leap year.", and that could throw things off. -th1rt3en 01:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is good deduction, but it definitely seems like "Original research" and probably shouldn't be added to the article. One point I have to question, though: I'm not entirely sure that the show follows real time faithfully. Did Venture actually wait over a year after the boys' deaths to activate their latest clones? I got the vague impression that it was more like a few weeks. - DynSkeet * Talk 18:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Triana or Brock say it had been three months since they died (Powerless in the Face of Death}? -th1rt3en 18:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hm. Wish I still had the episode so I could watch it again. But that is still a lot longer than the real-time period between the first airings of "Spider-Skull Island" and "Powerless"... - DynSkeet * Talk

Dr. Venture says he was only gone a month, despite the fact that his hair and beard were grown to huge lengths, while Brock's hair had barely grown. When I said the show takes place over a space of 2 years, this meant throughout season 1. The two years didn't happen all at once, they were spanned out. We don't know how much time passes between episodes and such, but because the show tends to rely on current pop culture alot of times, it requires a suspension of disbelief...but the show is definately in "real time". This has been an ongoing problem in any sort of fictional media, because you have to keep the story setting up to date, while not aging the characters...DC and Marvel have both used crisis-type stories to restart or erase the previous history in order to reintroduce the key characters and plots in an updated time period. In a related concern, the newest episode features Triana Orpheus stating she's "always been afraid of the closet" in regards to it being a portal to the Necropolis. She attributes her emotional problems as well as her lack of wardrobe due to a fear of the closet. The strange thing is that Triana didn't grow up in this home, and has only been there 1-2 years being that they moved into the Venture compound in season 1 after Dr. O and his wife seperated. -DDV

King Gorilla's parody

Should we note that King Gorilla is a parody of Gorilla Grodd, a really pathetic DC Flash villain that is basically a nude talking Gorilla?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Grodd

No.12.162.189.80 18:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Answered Discussions/ Archiving Discussions

I believe that any discussions that have been answered. Such as: Twin Clones, Episode Summaries, Dr. Girlfriend's Voice, Trivia:Season 1 and 2, and Everybodys Free to feel good; should all be deleted. Gwag June 26, 2006

How about archiving them instead? - DynSkeet * Talk 12:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Well that too. Gwag 16:11 June 26, 2006

Bud Manstrong

Is it worth noting that Bud Manstrong's personality is written in homage to Psycho's Norman Bates, and that its probably insisting that Manstrong was the one who killed the past crew on "movie night"?

Depends. Did you arrive at those conclusions yourself, or do they come from something that Jackson or Doc said? 69.169.74.209 22:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Twin clones?

I was under the impression that Dr Venture created Hank and Dean using analog cloning, which is why one is blonde and one has brownish hair. It seems Hank may be the larger dominant clone, while Dean is the more recessive clone who's genetic traits closer match his father. Their lack of a mother says to me that they are just test tube babies and Dr Venture created them in a weird "moment of passion" while deciding he needed something to carry on his legacy. Perhaps that was his moment of passion...

Actually, it's assumed that Hank is a clone of Brock and Dean is a clone of Dr. Venture. Though, it's merely hinted at in the show and not actually confirmed. -th1rt3en 07:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not even really hinted at in the show. It's just something that some fans came up with.

In one of the episodes Dr. Venture says something along the lines of "I should have fixed this in the prototype stage", muttered to himself when referring to Hank and Dean. Sure it's mostly fan speculation, but it's not an impossibility. -th1rt3en 17:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I know the line, but it doesn't really infer cloning at all, just genetic engineering. Very different.

Well, are Hank and Dean twins or just brothers? If not, which is older? I think if they were twins, they'd have to be clones, much in the same idea as the Snakes in Metal Gear Solid.

No, they wouldn't have to be clones. They can simply be fraternal twins.69.169.74.209 02:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

In one episode Dean refers to Hanks as "Big Bro". So one is obviously older than the other. Unless they were simply led to beleive that by their father. This will all be addressed in Season 2, i'm certain of it. captbananas 06:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I found an old quote. Jackson clarifies two facts: a) They are fraternal twins, and b) They are Dr. Venture's actual sons. [1] 69.169.74.209 09:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The DVD box calls them twins, so yeah...They are his actual sons, but I still believe they were subjects of gene therapy. The constant mention of no mother probably means she was killed in the process.

Another juicy tidbit to contemplate - Dr. Venture lactates, which leads me to believe they had no mother and he breastfed them. Hmm!

Well, some male animals can develop milk in their mammaries in the absense of a mother to feed the offspring. Perhaps Dr. Venture naturally underwent that strange transformation due to their lack of a mother...Probably reading too far into it.

Quick note -- during the DVD commentary, one of the commentators (sorry, I forgot who) says that he was initially against the boys having navels, then wonders if he just released a spoiler by saying that. Intriguing... - DynSkeet * Talk 12:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

That was Jackson. It's interesting, but we should keep in mind how much that actually spoils. All it would tell us is that they didn't develop in their mother's stomach. So while it screams "test-tube babies" (or maybe "vat babies" in this case), it doesn't really tell us whether or not they are genetically-engineered, or whether or not they are clones.

And, of course, since we have seen them with belly-buttons already, Jackson can always decide to change his original plans. 69.169.74.209 01:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

well, that answers that...they're clones.

Vietnam?

Regarding the entry for Brock Sampson: "The day after he'd been cut from the football team, he may have seen that his future in civilian life was shot, so he left to voluntarily enlist in the US Army during the Vietnam War."

There's two things wrong with this. First, the events shown as flashbacks in the episode "Past Tense" take place in the early 1980's, maybe the late 70's at the earliest. The hairstyles, cultural references are clearly from this era. Mr. White even makes mention of running a New Wave college radio station. In any event, long after the Vietnam War.

Second, the show never states of what branch of the military Brock served in before being an agent of Office of Secret Intelligence.

I am quite sure that the name of the german character with the metal jaw is spelled Unterbeit, and I have attempted to change all instances of it in this article. --brkmyr 05:47, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

This article notes that Sasquatch is not in a sexual/ marital relationship with Steve Summer. I believe that it was implied from the episode that they were more than "just friends". But I would like other imput before changing this. --brkmyr 05:58, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

According to the credits in every episode that the Baron is in, his name is spelt Baron Ünderbheit. I don't know where you get "Unterbeit" from, but I have only checked out the credits for proper spelling. If there was a part in one or some of the episodes where it states that "Unterbeit" is the correct spelling, then so be it. Slof 05:16, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As for your other comment, you may be right, but, like you, I'd appreciate another opinion. Slof 05:16, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

According to the home page, it is "Ünderbheit." For verification check the episode guide and "past Tense" and it has his name there. As for Steve Summer, I believe it was established that it was sexual. He alludes to it when he talks of falling in love, and even touches the sasquatch on his thigh. Also, given Brock’s reaction to finding out that the sasquatch was a male, I would say that it was established that it was a sexual relationship. However, this was one of the earlier shows and I might be remember incorrectly. Shouldn’t how the kids died in the season finally be pointed out as a clear reference to Easy Rider. Of course, this show is so full of references to shows that it is hard to know where to start. For example the one with Pirates had a verse of “a space oddity” verbatim. So pointing out all of the references could be superfluous.Headrattle 04:17, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In "Trial of the Monarch" Phantom Limb doesn't go crazy, the guild was trying to capture the Trial Lawyer. That is why they dragged him out. It was all a plan to both destroy the Monarch and kidnapp the trial Lawyer. You know, the one taken from Total Recall. I like this show and watch it as least twice a week due to the nature of Adult Swim. Headrattle 04:30, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I concede the point on Underbheit and have returned all instances to the original spelling. As for Phantom Limb "going crazy", I agree his actions are a well calculated plan not a crazy rampage. --brkmyr 07:02, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Far be it (farbeit?) from me to state opinion as fact, but isn't it more accurate to say that The Venture Bros. is less a direct parody of Johnny Quest and more a parody of what Quest's future would have been like? "Rusty Venture" Is more of a JQ, from the way things are described, and the whole irony is that being a wunderkind isn't so great past 40.

I see someone took out my note that one of the recurring Monarch henchmen is voiced as someone's amusing impression of Ray Romano. What's the reasoning for removing it? --Atario 20:00, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't know. I guess it is because your comment seemed like a POV.

Why would it be? It sounds like a bad impression of Ray Romano to me.136.182.2.222 05:42, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

1. 24 wasn't killed by the Monarch- he appears in the last episode. This series pays great attention to continuity, so they wouldn't bring him back without an explanation - the henchman who died was just one of the numberless ones.

Where did that come from? I know the guy Brock killed in the very first episode actually was referred to by name, not number.... seriously, what are you talking about? MasterXiam 15:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

yeah, he was like skipper or scooter or something. he didn't have wings, so i assume that ment he wasn't numbered yet. and 24 wasn't killed. i think the last two of his henchmen were always involved in the incedents and were never shown dead, although only one of them looked different.--JadenGuy 04:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

For the record, the henchman who was still a fledgling and "this close to getting his wings", as The Monarch puts it, was named Speedy. captbananas 07:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Episode summaries

I think the length of the episode summaries/synopses need to be standardized - some are short, some are too long. I would cut down some of the longer entries, but for the "don't delete" rule we try to practice here on Wikipedia.

What do people want to do about this, if anything? - Lampbane

I think the episode summaries should be removed once the second season starts, otherwise the section will be way too large. You can provide a link to them from www.tv.com. --Cholmes75 23:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

tv.com basicaly sucks right now, keep the episode summaries here on wiki.71.110.94.111 01:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

You know, you could just relocate it to an Episode Summaries section.

Separate section for episodes

Can we have a separate section for episodes? just like how the ones on Boondocks are done? see here.... List of The Boondocks episodes for an example Omoo

Race Banner's Last Words

“... Tell Jonny...” references The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun by Julie Brown. (click H in the Julie Brown video browser thing) .

Er... I think it was intended more as a reference between a love affair between the two characters. -DynSkeet (talk) 11:58, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Hey, you never know, it could have been, "Tell Johnny, I love... pie." MasterXiam 15:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

.. or "Tell Johnny, I love ... Hadji, more."

I thinkit was more of a fatherly thing. He never told Johnny he loved him as a son, and he regretted it. of course, this whole discussion is POV, so..... whatever.

The Slashed Throat Thing

Dr. Girlfriend having a slashed throat. Where did anyone hear this? I have not heard this rumor before. -TwoLittleDolls 4:29, 08 July 2005

According to Jackson Publick, it's a "a total super-lie." -68.69.249.37, 1 August 2005

Unless someone can reference the rumor or the denial, that sentence needs to be removed. --InShaneee 04:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

legal issue?

The most recent edit added a note that "Past Tense" has not aired since last October due to a pending legal issue. Where is there more information on this? -DynSkeet (talk) 11:57, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Here you go. Jackson Publick's journal: [2]

Apparently he's not allowed to go into too much detail, but the speculation is that it has to do with the design of the Lesliebots. -68.69.249.37, August 18, 2005

By the way, they might've aired the episode once more in November, during the time that the season was re-run during the week. I'm not sure, though. Does anyone remember?

It would be interesting to know how this will affect the DVD release currently scheduled for early next year. Pulpculture 04:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

He says that it will surely be included on the DVD. Still no word on what they're doing to resolve the issue, though. 68.69.249.37 08:40, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Last week, Jackson said that the issue's been resolved and the episode will be airing again. So I'll go ahead and remove the note. 68.234.239.109 11:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Yep, see here for Jackson's confirmation. "Past Tense" is scheduled to air next Sunday, October 9. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 13:15, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup

What was the reason for the cleanup tag? Nothing appears here in the discussion. --Oneoclockbird

Unencyclopedic Edits

If you truly beleive that Dr. Venture wants Brock dead, keep it to yourself. There is nothing in the show that indicates this (if you ask me). The very first episode (excluding the pilot) should prove to you that Dr. Venture not only does not want Brock dead, but truly needs him. When he finds the shrine/burial ground to Brock after the Monarch's henchmen have "supposedly" killed him, he totally flips out, cries, and starts drinking (whilst not having either of his livers). If you still beleive that he wants Brock dead, fine... but dont add it here. In my opinion, that is less than speculation. So knock it off. captbananas 23:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. --Cholmes75 00:18, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Brock obviously has replaced Johnas Venture in the part of Rusty's heart that looked up to his father. He's like a giant mountainous man who protects Rusty without criticizing him or carrying a legacy. He needs Brock, and actually dislikes his own children.

General Timeframe?

Have there ever been any statements from the creators as to when the Venture Brothers takes place? I'm curious to know simply based on the information presented in the show itself. There is one episode that specifically would state that it is the late 1990's. Episode 6, "Ghosts of the Sargasso" has 'The Action Man' talking to a dead Major Tom on the communicator wristwatch and stating that "It was sure good times we had back then, but that was almost 30 years ago".

Considering at the beginning of the episode it shows that Major Tom's spaceship crashes into the Bermuda Triangle in 1969, this would of course, appear to put the show somewhere near 1995 or possibly as late as 1998. The show had its original run in 2004 (save for the pilot in 2003), which leaves a gap of 5-10 years. Anyone know of any stated reasons for this? It seems curious, simply because the technology presented to us in the show appears to be on par (of not much more advanced) than what we currently have in the real world.

Thanks in advance. captbananas 13:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Venture's Drug Habit

From watching the first season I was under the impression that Dr. Venture was also taking downers, I can't recall every piece of info that led me to that, but here are two. In "Dia de Los Dangerous!" we see Dr. Venture picking up his "prescriptions" from a Mexican pharmacy. The Mexican doctor says something along the lines of, "I can't prescribe you all these drugs! Some of them have completely opposite effects". Thus suggesting that Dr. Venture is taking both uppers and downers. This is perhaps further supported in the episode where Pete White makes a reference to Venture taking "Mother's Little Helper", which is a very popular term used for Valium or other benzos and downers, as seen in the Rolling Stones song of the same name. Any input? 12.214.163.67 20:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Not sure about that. None of the prescriptions are actually named, so the "conflicting" ones might not be uppers or downers at all. The only concrete reference I recall to specific "medications" is when the gravity goes off on the space station, he cries that his "diet pills" were scattered. Anything further is speculation in my opinion. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

He's addicted to strong diet pills, which function as an amphetamine.

Even if what he takes actually are diet pills, that doesn't prove that he got prescriptions for downers in Mexico. - DynSkeet * Talk 01:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

He CLAIMS they are diet pills. Other characters have scoffed at this.

Ray Romano-esque Henceman

I'm not going to remove that information again, but if you are going to state in your edit that "Jackson [Christopher McCulloch] has stated that he intended it to sound like Romano", then I need to see that cited if i'm going to allow it to be left in. I personally read his LJ blog and have never seen him state that, so I want to know where you got this "reputable" information from. Thanks. captbananas 00:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

He said it on Voucher Ankles: [3] 69.169.74.209 01:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Excellent, now if anyone decides to remove that information we have that here, out in the open. Thanks for the link! captbananas 01:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Star Wars Kid reference

Actually, "Number 21" is a parody of the Star Wars Kid. In the episode - Tag Sale, Your It! - the henchmen does a shortened, but almost step for step copy of what we have seen in the Star Wars Kid video. So Thumperward, your removal has no merit. I will leave it up to other editors to come to a consensus on putting it back (it's not terribly important information anyway). But I just wanted to let you know that you are incorrect. captbananas 01:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually its really only in that one episode where we see Number 21's Star Wars fixation, and the one sequence in that episode parodys the Star Wars Kid, but that doesn't necessarily mean the character is based on him. -th1rt3en 02:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The information he removed didnt refer to him being a "Star Wars Fanatic" that remains. The information Thumperward removed stated that he was a parody of the Star Wars Kid. So if we go off what you state than we should reverse that info, because he did in fact parody Star Wars Kid, but he may, or may not be a Star Wars fan. captbananas 03:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I understand what Th1rt3en is saying. The fact that that scene was a reference to the Stars Wars Kid does not make the character a parody of the Star Wars Kid. 69.169.74.209 09:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I dunno. I think the fact that he is obviously spoofing the Star Wars Kid, should also indicate that at least for the duration of "Number 21"'s fight with Brock (I say fight, but mean the lack thereof) he is a parody of the Star Wars Kid. It's at least a notable mention in a few words, considering it has to do with popular culture, and "The Venture Bros." have always been on the ball with that kind of thing. captbananas 18:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

However, the Star Wars Kid is not the only thing the character has spoofed. The end of "Return to Spider Skull Island" had the two henchmen spoofing a scene from Easy Rider (http://tviv.org/The_Venture_Bros./Return_to_Spider-Skull_Island). So I believe the character, other then the one scene, really has nothing to do with the Star Wars Kid. -th1rt3en 20:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you think the scene is notable enough to include in the article, then I think it really belongs in a "trivia" section (along with stuff like the Easy Rider reference, David Bowie lyrics, etc.).69.169.74.209 21:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. You - th1rt3en - mention that they also spoof Easy Rider and that is mentioned in the article, so why disinclude mention (wherever it may go, trivia, or elsewhere) of the Star Wars Kid? You cant pick and choose these things, either you include pop culture references or you dont. On that note, I will remove extra information directly attached to "Number 21", but I will move said information to the "trivia" section. Arguments? captbananas 02:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

This reference is so trivial as to warrant its omission from that paragraph on grounds of keeping the article a sane length. Venture Bros typically spoofs a good dozen things per episode. Listing them all might be an easy way to contribute to an article, but it tends to turn the article into unreadable slush. What brought the SWK thing to my attention was that it was appallingly phrased. Your pop culture reference section is perfect just now, so I just hope it doesn't become a dumping ground for other such references in future. Chris Cunningham 09:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I've got my eye on the section and i'll attempt to keep it free of incredible length, but that will be a task all in its own. captbananas 17:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Clarification on the subject of the "Moment of Passion"

Just because I know someone is going to question my change to the article regarding having Brock and H.E.L.P.eR. "watching" in Dr. Venture's moment of passion, I just watched my taped version of Episode 2: Careers in Science, where this exchange takes place. I wrote down the conversation word for word, so now it will be FOREVER cleared up.

Hank and Dean back and forth: "Knock it off" "Wuss" "Knock it off" "Wuss"...

Dr. Venture: "Boys for the last time, stop! Brock is trying to drive!"

Brock: "I'm cool."

Hank and Dean (at same time): "He started it!"

Dr. Venture: "No I started it years ago in a moment of passion and i'll end it the same way, right here, in front of Brock, H.E.L.P.eR., and God! Now sit on your hands, and keep your mouths shut!"

I suppose if you want to take it that way, Dr. Ventures statement could infer that he will "end" the boys the same way he "started" them. However, because of the pauses in his speaking pattern (which, you obviously cant detect in readings this) it's obvious he means he will simply "end" the boys in front of Brock, H.E.L.P.eR., and God. Thank you. captbananas 17:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Jonas and Jonas Jr.

I've been thinking, even though they're technically Ventures, does anyone think it would be best to move Jonas and Jonas Jr. to the "Allies" (or Others) section and restrict the "Venture family" section to the core characters? The way it is now, I think it may give the mistaken impression that they are regulars.69.169.74.209 18:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

That sounds fine to me, but make sure to make it clear they are in fact members of the Venture Family, we dont people to think otherwise. On the other hand, Brock's last name is Sampson, not Venture, and he is included in the Venture "Family". It certainly is a fine line that we are drawing. You might simply make a note on each of Jonas, and Jonas Jr. that they are not main characters, even though they are key to the story (especially Jonas Senior). captbananas 01:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

That seems pretty clear in the descriptions already. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes. I'll group Sr. next to the rest of the Original Team Venture, and I guess I'll put Jr. in the "Others" until we see how he develops in Season 2.

HELPeR occupies a bit of a gray area too, but I don't see a problem with him being with the rest of the core characters.69.169.74.209 02:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Split off the "Characters" sections

A number of other TV show articles have a seperate page for characters (and yet another for minor characters). Since this page is pretty long with a lot of it being character breakdowns how about we go ahead and make Characters from The Venture Brothers and Secondary Venture Brothers Characters pages? Bdve 03:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

My issue with that is soley this: removing all the information pertaining to characters (which makes up the bulk of the article) will severly shorten it. So instead of one slightly long-ish article, we'll have three (four if you count the episode listing) very short ones pertaining to the same show. I dont know if this is the general style ruling, but to me that just seems silly. I really dont think the episode is that long. However, we might wait untill June rolls around, and if they introduce a host of new characters worth noting in Season 2, than we can definatly do this. Just my two cents. captbananas 17:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary just yet. The article was a bit too long back when it had the episode summaries, but ever since the episode page was created, the length of the article seems fine to me.69.169.74.209 19:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It might help if the only characters mentioned are recurring characters. Some of the characters listed, like the Manservant, Buck Manstrong, and Mr. Brisby, are only around for one episode. There's no real reason why those characters should be listed while other episode-specific characters are not.209.11.161.235 22:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

That I could agree with. Most of the characters in "Others" (besides Molotov, Jonas, and Impossible) are single episode characters that we may never see again. Race Bannon could go too. I think Jackson said that Manstrong's going to be in Season 2, though. 69.169.74.209 09:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Following other show and show characters articles, I just moved the whole list to a new article and made succinct (hopefully) paragraphs of major and notable characters. If you should believe this makes this article short, I wouldn't count on the size universally affecting the article. Plus, I'm planning on adding more information later. Moreover, since the section's been condensed I believe it will make people focus less on improving that section and more on improving the article as a whole. My two cents. Slof 02:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)