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{{onlinesource|author=Mike Miliard|year=2008 |monthday=February 21 |url= http://www.slweekly.com/index.cfm?do=article.details&id=37BD3969-14D1-13A2-9F5EEAF5A79E0898&page=2| title= Wikipediots: Who are these devoted, even obsessive contributors to Wikipedia? |org= Salt Lake City Weekly | section=February 2008 <!-- (See the piece on Tourette’s Syndrome, a crisp and information-packed 5,200 words, with eight book-length sources and 84 online references.) -->}} |
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==Unvoluntary/involuntary== |
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Although the term ''unvoluntary'' is well-defined in this article and in the literature, it is frequently changed to ''involuntary'' here, perhaps by well-meaning editors who believe it is a typo, and don't read the text. |
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:Tics are described as semi-voluntary or ''"unvoluntary",''<ref name=TSADef>[[Tourette Syndrome Association]]. [http://web.archive.org/web/20050322170245/http://www.tsa-usa.org/research/definitions.html Definitions and Classification of Tic Disorders.] Accessed 22 Mar 2005.</ref> because they are not strictly ''involuntary''—they may be experienced as a ''voluntary'' response to an unwanted, premonitory urge. |
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Please restore it whenever it is removed, as it is the correct usage. I will add an inline note. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 16:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC) |
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: [[Tourette syndrome #Classification]] currently says "involuntary", not "unvoluntary"; should that be changed as well? (Either way, does that "involuntary" need an HTML comment too?…) [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 19:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Mozart == |
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This article's a rambling mess. If we're not sure Mozart had it, why is it even mentioned? [[Special:Contributions/70.61.22.110|70.61.22.110]] ([[User talk:70.61.22.110|talk]]) 19:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)Newt |
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:See [[WP:MEDMOS]]. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 19:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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===Proposed replacement for Mozart paragraph=== |
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I don't think the article rambles or is a mess at all, not at all, but in rereading the Mozart discussion one thing jumped out at me: it spends too much time talking about the people who are disputing Mozart's diagnosis (Simkin, Sacks, their qualifications, etc.). This jumped out at me because I am currently looking at similar problems in [[Chiropractic]] (an article that ''is'' a rambling mess, and which goes on and on in the text about the WHO and the NCCAM and such-and-such eminent chiropractor's qualifications, in order to make that article more "persuasive"—but I digress.…) How about the following replacement for the Mozart paragraph, to address this issue? This replacement could be appended to the previous paragraph, which talks about Johnson. |
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:Although it has been speculated that [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|Mozart]] had Tourette's,<ref name=Byways>Simkin, Benjamin. ''Medical and Musical Byways of Mozartiana.'' Fithian Press, 2001. ISBN 1-56474-349-7 [http://www.danielpublishing.com/books/suppl/simkin.html Review,] Retrieved on [[May 14]] [[2007]].<br/>* Simkin B. [http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=1286388 "Mozart's scatological disorder".] ''BMJ''. 1992 Dec 19–26;305(6868):1563–7. PMID 1286388</ref><ref name=TSAMozart>[http://web.archive.org/web/20050407060420/http://www.tsa-usa.org/what_is/Mozart.html Did Mozart really have TS?] [[Tourette Syndrome Association]]. Archived [[April 7]] [[2005]].</ref> no Tourette's expert or organization has presented credible evidence to show that this was the case,<ref name=TSAMozart/> and there are problems with the available data.<ref>Kammer T. [http://www.uni-ulm.de/~tkammer/pdf/Kammer_2007_Mozart_preprint.pdf "Mozart in the neurological department—who has the tic?"] (PDF). ''Front Neurol Neurosci.'' 2007;22:184–92. PMID 17495512 {{DOI|10.1159/0000102880}} Retrieved on [[2007-09-10]]<br/>* Ashoori A, Jankovic J. "Mozart's movements and behaviour: a case of Tourette's syndrome?" ''J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry''. 2007 Nov;78(11):1171-5 {{DOI|10.1136/jnnp.2007.114520}} PMID 17940168.<br/>* Sacks O. "Tourette's syndrome and creativity". ''BMJ.'' 1992 Dec 19–26;305(6868):1515–6. PMID 1286364</ref> |
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[[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 19:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:Some authors have speculated that [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|Mozart]] may have had Tourette's. Benjamin Simkin, a medical doctor, argued that Mozart had Tourette syndrome.<ref name=Byways>Simkin, Benjamin. ''Medical and Musical Byways of Mozartiana.'' Fithian Press, 2001. ISBN 1-56474-349-7 [http://www.danielpublishing.com/books/suppl/simkin.html Review,] Retrieved on [[May 14]] [[2007]].</ref><ref>Simkin B. [http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=1286388 "Mozart's scatological disorder".] ''BMJ''. 1992 Dec 19–26;305(6868):1563–7. PMID 1286388</ref> Simkin is an endocrinologist<ref name=Byways/>—not a psychiatrist or a neurologist, the medical fields which specialize in the [[Neurology|neurological disorder]]. His claim was picked up by newspapers worldwide, causing an international sensation, and internet websites have fueled the speculation.<ref name=TSAMozart>[http://web.archive.org/web/20050407060420/http://www.tsa-usa.org/what_is/Mozart.html Did Mozart really have TS?] [[Tourette Syndrome Association]]. Archived [[April 7]] [[2005]].</ref> However, no Tourette's expert or organization has presented credible evidence to show that this was the case;<ref name=TSAMozart/> other authors have found the evidence lacking<ref>Kammer T. [http://www.uni-ulm.de/~tkammer/pdf/Kammer_2007_Mozart_preprint.pdf "Mozart in the neurological department—who has the tic?"] (PDF). ''Front Neurol Neurosci.'' 2007;22:184–92. PMID 17495512 {{DOI|10.1159/0000102880}} Retrieved on [[2007-09-10]]<br/>* Ashoori A, Jankovic J. "Mozart's movements and behaviour: a case of Tourette's syndrome?" ''J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry''. 2007 Nov;78(11):1171-5 {{DOI|10.1136/jnnp.2007.114520}} PMID 17940168.</ref> and noted neurologist and author [[Oliver Sacks]] published an editorial disputing Simkin's claim.<ref>Sacks O. "Tourette's syndrome and creativity". ''BMJ.'' 1992 Dec 19–26;305(6868):1515–6. PMID 1286364</ref> |
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::Sorry, I have to see them side by side before I can opine. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 19:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:::OK, looking at them side by side, two issues. First, [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tourette syndrome|read the FAC]] to see how I got stuck with all that wording (from a good reviewer) during the FAC, and see if you still think we can shorten. The reviwer considered that the image wasn't justified, and I had to explain how prevalent these rumors are. Then, if we do shorten, your wording looks fine, <s>but you've got refs 2, 3 and 4, leaving off 5, 6 and 7; can we tack them back on to your wording (if that's the wording we use) to gain "insurance" against future speculative insertions,</s> or expand a bit to encompass the concern raised at FAC ? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 20:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks, I didn't know the history. |
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:::::* I tend to agree with the FAC reviewer that Mozart's image isn't appropriate here. The connection is just too weak. I suggest going with the shortened version of the text, but using Johnson's portrait instead; it's much better to place that portrait near the discussion of Johnson anyway. This would mean an image shortage in "Prognosis", which is bad, but overall it's better to live with an image shortage than to misplace images or to add too-weakly-connected images. |
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:::::* If you prefer filling that gap in "Prognosis", how about this idea: put [[:Image:Malraux.jpg]] under "Prognosis" with an an appropriate caption? That would be a better visual fit for "Prognosis", since someone with TS is currently far more likely to end up looking like Malraux's picture than like Johnson's. |
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:::::* The shortened version didn't lose any refs; it just coalesced some of them, which caused them to get renumbered. But they're all there. |
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:::::[[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 20:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::: I need to dig back in history and figure something out: we used to have Malraux, but for some reason he got deleted. I thought it was Fair Use, but now I see the image tag says it's OK, so I need to figure out that missing step to make sure we're OK. I am concerned that the rumors about Mozart are so prevalent that they should be addressed (or we'll get constant driveby insertions), but that can be solved via a link over to that section in the daughter article, [[Sociological and cultural aspects of Tourette syndrome]], so we don't have to include all the verbiage here. Let me look more into the image thingie before I make these changes. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::hmmmm .. turns out [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sociological_and_cultural_aspects_of_Tourette_syndrome&diff=next&oldid=74682089 I removed Malraux myself], for some reason I was worried about its licensing, and it's still got an unclear tag. I'm going to ask someone who knows images to have a look.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Elcobbola#Image_question] (Or maybe it was because back then I hadn't found a solid source for his TS? Still checking.) [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Please see [[#Malraux image]] below for a followup. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 22:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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::::PS, and keep in mind that there's a dispatch coming out in the [[WP:Signpost]] next week, such that we could end up with [[Lick me in the ass|this]] on the mainpage for April Fools, so we may ''need'' the detail. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 20:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Sorry, I don't quite follow all that (I never heard of [[WP:Signpost]] until just now). My (admittedly uninformed) intuition is that we should try to improve the article without worrying too much about what other articles say or about what driveby editors will do in the future. On the other hand, this change can just as easily wait until April. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 21:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::: Sorry :-) We have an April Fools' mainpage tradition at Wiki, and for some months now, I've been concerned that we are going to be linked to the mainpage via ''[[Lick me in the ass]]'', so I was concerned that we were going to need all the accurate detail. That should be more clear in a week or two. Also, at one point, I read mention of yet another Mozart/Tourette documentary or movie or book (I can't remember) that was in the works, so I erred on the side of keeping all this detail. The notion that Mozart had Tourette's is, inaccurately, fairly entrenched by the popular media. Give me some time to dig back in and figure out where all this stands. At least, a link over to the daughter article may solve all of that and move it out of this article. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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===Malraux image=== |
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If it helps, the Library of Congress has a very similar (but not identical) photograph available: |
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{{LOC-image|id=cph.3b26053}} |
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This one looks like it was done as part of the same shoot. Usage of this one's postage-stamp size would be acceptable here, under fair use. I'd rather have the big one, though, of course. I love the LoC's "Rights status not evaluated".… [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 22:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:Eubulides, I'm hopeless on images, but I trust ElCobbola, who reviews images at FAC. He says we can't use Malraux.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Elcobbola#Image_question] I don't know what to make of your link above, it shows a picture of Congress? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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::Ah, sorry, you're supposed to click on the digital ID inside that box. Or you can just click [http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/cph.3b26053 here]. Some more points: |
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::*Assuming the LOC image looks good to you, I can upload it so that you needn't worry about the hassle of doing that. |
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::*Just to be safe: what is the size limit for fair-use images for important historical figures? We're already using [[:Image:Asperger_kl2.jpg]] (88×133) and nd [[:Image:Kanner_kl2.jpg]] (99×135) in [[Autism]], and they pass fair-use muster; what's the size limit for these postage-stamp images? The LOC image is 128×150 but can (and probably should) be cropped to around 110×130 to get rid of the legend and the gap on the right, so it'll get smaller. Is that small enough? |
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::*Doesn't that mean [[:Image:Malraux.jpg]] should be removed from Wikipedia? |
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::[[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 00:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I don't know any of those answers; I really don't speak images. I'll ask Elcobbola to look in here. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 00:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::The PD tag on [[:Image:Malraux.jpg]] certainly doesn't hold up. One could make a case for fair use, though; Malraux is dead, Freund and her portraits are quite notable (maybe even iconic) and the image isn't exactly high-resolution. I'm no image expert, so that's just my two cents; I will, however, point a Commons admin to this discussion—the image should go over there. [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small> ([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 00:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::A fair use case for the Malraux article itself would almost certainly be easy and appropriate, but I don't believe [[WP:NFCC]]#8 would allow it to be used in the Tourette syndrome article. [[User:elcobbola|<font color="red"><i>'''ЭLСОВВОLД'''</i></font>]] <sub>[[User talk:elcobbola|talk]]</sub> 01:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::@Eubulides: Low resolution, regardless of the image's subject, typically means no more than 300 pixels horizontally or vertically, so those are well under the "max" (going over is acceptable, [[iff]] there's an explaination why the extra resolution is needed). |
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::::::It will need to be removed from Wikimedia Commons (I tagged it for deletion), as they can't have FU. It could, however, be hosted on Wikipedia with a proper (per above) FU. [[User:elcobbola|<font color="red"><i>'''ЭLСОВВОLД'''</i></font>]] <sub>[[User talk:elcobbola|talk]]</sub> 01:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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The P&P image is tricky. The image’s page says “Rights status not evaluated”, which means only that P&P hasn’t done any footwork. There are different measures for determining PD status, depending on whether the image has been published. The P&P image says “Pantheon Books” (a division of [[Random House]]), so I’m inclined to believe it has been published. A published image becomes PD if it was: 1) Registered in the U.S. before 1923 or 2) Registered in the U.S. from and including 1923 through 1963, unless the copyright was renewed. |
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Given the date of 1935/6 (my eyes fail me), the latter ''may'' be valid. I searched at the [http://www.copyright.gov/ Copyright Office], and didn’t see it registered/renewed. The caveat is that this really is a search one should do in person (anyone live in D.C.?) From a legal and/or policy standpoint, the ''uncertainty'' means it probably shouldn’t be used (I say that because I suspect such a publisher would be diligent about renewing). The lack of a reference in the archive, however, does seem to lend, if nothing else, a degree of "plausible deniability", so to speak. [[User:elcobbola|<font color="red"><i>'''ЭLСОВВОLД'''</i></font>]] <sub>[[User talk:elcobbola|talk]]</sub> 01:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:I ''hate'' images; all Greek to me. So, what if we/I write to [[Jim Eisenreich]] or [[Tim Howard]] and ask them to submit an image? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 01:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::Actually ... is the [[Tim Howard]] image OK to use here? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 01:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, indeed! [[User:elcobbola|<font color="red"><i>'''ЭLСОВВОLД'''</i></font>]] <sub>[[User talk:elcobbola|talk]]</sub> 01:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Or [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:ARC194219.png if you're set on using Malraux] ... [[User:elcobbola|<font color="red"><i>'''ЭLСОВВОLД'''</i></font>]] <sub>[[User talk:elcobbola|talk]]</sub> 02:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::: Nice, Elcobbola, thanks ... maybe we can use both. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 02:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::: I don't have a Commons account. That image says it's lacking info about the photographer, which is given [http://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc/issue6/monalisa.htm here]. More [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_200305/ai_n9267625 here.] [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Author updated. [[User:elcobbola|<font color="red"><i>'''ЭLСОВВОLД'''</i></font>]] <sub>[[User talk:elcobbola|talk]]</sub> 03:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Great ! OK, so if everyone agrees, I'll: remove the Mozart image, move the Johnson to where Mozart was (Cultural references), add Howard to Prognosis, and shorten the Mozart wording, making sure I combine all the refs and link over to the daughter article. Good? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 01:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Done, how's that? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 04:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks, that was fast. I have done my bit by creating a new image [[:Image:Malraux-Freund-1935.jpeg]] which I hope passes copyright muster, and by replacing all uses of the old Malraux portait with the new one. This no longer affects [[Tourette syndrome]], though, since it uses a different image now. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 06:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Well, now that we know about Image:ARC194219.png, we can't use [[:Image:Malraux-Freund-1935.jpeg]], Per [[WP:NFCC]]#1, "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available". Use of Malraux-Freund looks to be just to illustrate the man, something the free version can do. Isn't FU fun? ;) [[User:elcobbola|<font color="red"><i>'''ЭLСОВВОLД'''</i></font>]] <sub>[[User talk:elcobbola|talk]]</sub> 11:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I don't think the free version illustrates the man, to be honest. It illustrates his context (which is fine for [[Tourette syndrome]], in fact it's better) but not the man. I'll follow up at [[Talk:André Malraux #Is the group shot equivalent?]], not that I expect much there; that article's kind of moribund. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 19:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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==[[WP:TALK]]== |
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If anyone would like to know more about tourettes then i can answer your questions. i now can tell you that it makes your muscles tense and you can't stop it. i learned that if you go to sleep while doing the motions then it is very likely that the tourettes will stop for a while. rckhound1 {{unsigned|Rckhound1|22:31, February 29, 2008 (UTC)}} |
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== Confusing wording re Sydenham's chorea == |
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[[Tourette syndrome #Diagnosis]] currently says this: |
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:Other conditions that may manifest tics or stereotyped movements include [[developmental disorder]]s, [[autism spectrum disorder]]s, and [[stereotypic movement disorder]]; other genetic conditions such as [[Huntington's disease]], [[neuroacanthocytosis]], [[Hallervorden-Spatz syndrome]], [[idiopathic]] dystonia, [[Duchenne muscular dystrophy]], Wilson's disease, [[Sydenham's chorea]] and [[tuberous sclerosis]]. |
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I'm finding it hard to parse that sentence because of its semicolon; was that intended to be a comma? Anyway, the sentence seems to be saying that [[Sydenham's chorea]] is one of the "other genetic conditions", but it's not genetic. Likewise for idiopathic dystonia; it might be genetic but might not. Conversely, the current wording can be read to imply that autism spectrum disorders are genetic; it's true that the mainstream opinion is that genetics are the most significant cause for ASD, but some rare cases do seem to be caused by environmental factors (see [[Causes of autism #Teratogens]]). |
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How about this rewrite? |
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:Other conditions that may manifest tics or stereotyped movements include [[developmental disorder]]s, [[autism spectrum disorder]]s, and [[stereotypic movement disorder]]; [[Sydenham's chorea]]; [[idiopathic]] dystonia; and genetic conditions such as [[Huntington's disease]], [[neuroacanthocytosis]], [[Hallervorden-Spatz syndrome]], [[Duchenne muscular dystrophy]], Wilson's disease, and [[tuberous sclerosis]]. |
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[[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 07:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::Yes, something went obviously wrong in that sentence, and I'm not sure what, when or where. Let me go back in my sources and history to doublecheck what happened before we fix it. I'll get to it later today. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 16:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Just found time to get back to this. I don't know when that got jumbled or how Sydenham's ended up as genetic; I'll put the proposed change in and then try to figure out if the article covers now the complete list in the Jankovic and other texts. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Need help == |
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Does anybody know how this template works? I see it's used in the article, but I'm trying to add several of these notes in another article, but it won't work. The first note works fine, but the rest don't redirect... Thank! {{note label|...|A|A}} ?? {{note label|...|B|B}} ?? --[[User:Phenylalanine|Phenylalanine]] ([[User talk:Phenylalanine|talk]]) 20:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Let me know what you're trying to do where, and I'll help. You forgot to sign. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 20:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::I'm trying to use this template in the "[[global warming]]" article (see discussion page). --[[User:Phenylalanine|Phenylalanine]] ([[User talk:Phenylalanine|talk]]) 21:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::What template? Note labels? And what specifically do you want to do at global warming? Besides not being thrilled to wade in to that mess (although I will try to help), I can't read your mind :-) [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, exactly, the note labels. The first one works fine, but not the rest. I haven't made any changes yet to the Global warming article... still previewing the changes. I can save my changes if prefer to see them. --[[User:Phenylalanine|Phenylalanine]] ([[User talk:Phenylalanine|talk]]) 21:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Since the global warming article is so controversial, I don't want to invest time there until I know it won't be reverted. Let's move this conversation to that talk page (I posted there). [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Great! Thanks a lot! Now, I know where to ask to find quick help ;-) --[[User:Phenylalanine|Phenylalanine]] ([[User talk:Phenylalanine|talk]]) 21:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::By the way, you can probably find the answers you need in [[Gettysburg Address]]; that article has multiple notes, so provides a full example. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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