Talk:Us Again (film)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kaleeb18 (talk · contribs) 00:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'll be reviewing this article. I have not seen the short film yet, but I plan on watching it within the next 24 hours. Since it is my first time doing a GA review, I will have Kingsif as my GA mentor. I'm excited to get started. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 00:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Excited to help. Also impressed you'll be watching the short film :) Kingsif (talk) 00:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Lead

The two bask in the rainstorm — I’m a little iffy on the word bask here and think that a better word could be used. The Oxford dictionary defines its as “Lie exposed to warmth and light, typically from the sun, for relaxation and pleasure”. Although the second definition which fits it somewhat better says “Revel in and make the most of”, but I still think a better word could be used here as the Cambridge dictionary doesn’t even have the second definition.
- Replaced
Conceived after Parrish noticed he was growing older, Us Again takes inspiration from his grandparents. — This sentence could be restructured because it kinda comes out of nowhere and seems like it is still talking about the plot at first.
- I've reworded it. Does it work?
  - @Pamzeis: Yes, and looks a lot better than what I had in mind
Its score was composed by Pinar Toprak and was written before storyboarding and animation, in contrast to the usual filmmaking process. — This sentence needs to make it clear that the music was written before the storyboarding and animation process began, because it was very confusing at first and I had to reread it several times to realize what the sentence was trying to say.
- I think it's pretty clear already? I mean, I don't think there's a simpler or clearer way to say "written before storyboarding and animation". If you're talking about the last bit, I've reworded it.
  - Well hmmm... now it looks like there should be an 'and' there, but for even more clearness it could maybe be read like this Its score, composed by Pinar Toprak, was written before the storyboarding and animation process began, unlike the typical filmmaking procedure.
    - OK, so I understand that process is substituted to avoid repetition but it doesn't feel right. Procedure, defined as "an established or official way of doing something", would render typical redundant. However, without typical, it sounds there is an "official" way filmmaking (there really isn't, IMO). Anyways, I don't think "storyboarding and animation process" is necessary because they are processes.
    - I like it
Disney hired choreographers Keone and Mari Madrid for dance reference. — The end of this sentence “for dance reference” reads awkward and could be restructured better.
- Rearranged
  - Like it

Plot

as a younger couple watches them admirably from afar — Since the couple is in the background, blurred out, and the girl isn’t even looking at them this seems like irrelevant/unnecessary information to the plot. Other than that the plot looks good do you see anything else @Kingsif:.
- Removed

I would suggest possibly splitting up the first sentence, so the inspiration of the city is separate (or move that part to the production section entirely). Some word choices (Art and Dot encounter each other doesn't scan well to me) may be improved. Also, it seems more like it's trying to hit on every detail of the film, mentioning characters coming and going to locations instead of just the main beats - this is easy to fall into with short films, but not an ideal style of writing for plot sections. I will say that good work has been done with the balance of expressions/inferred meanings (not ignoring them, not going overboard with personal interpretation) mentioned. Kingsif (talk) 03:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I've tried to resolve this comment, though I'm not sure if it is sufficient

I will add that the last two sentences can maybe be combined or just remove the last sentence entirely because like Kingsif said, “it seems more like it's trying to hit on every detail of the film“.
- I've combined them, but I think it's a relevant detail (unlike the younger couple thing). Pamzeis (talk) 11:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Production

In February 2021, it was announced that theatrical showings of Raya and the Last Dragon would be accompanied by short film Us Again. Us Again is the first original theatrical short film produced by Disney since Inner Workings in 2016. – These two sentences could possibly be combined? But saying Us Again back to back is repetitive and awkward
- Done
Parrish said: "It made me realize – I'm pretty sure the colon needs to be replaced with a comma although MOS:COLON doesn't really specify really well when to use a colon, but from what I can understand I think it needs to be a comma
- Per this, I think it's fine as it is

Release

Reception

He further stated "everything is mind-blowingly perfect – comma is needed after stated
- Not done: per WP:MOS#Punctuation before quotations, it's optional
  - The grammar still needs to be correct, and not having some form of connective here is not correct. Adding "that" before the quotation may be the best choice, a comma if necessary (I personally don't like how informal it is, and I think many agree), or a colon depending on sentence structure. Kingsif (talk) 21:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done. Pamzeis (talk) 10:29, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Samantha Labat of CinemaBlend found the film stunning and said "the – comma after said
- Same as above
  - Since I replied to the above, I'll just note here that this one is fine. Kingsif (talk) 21:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Variety predicted it would make – Variety has predicted
- Done

Sources

Reliability

It looks like the following are not reliable sources

Animation World Network
- Variety published an article about how great it is or something like that. Also been cited by Polygon
Koimoi
- Cited by Indian Express, News18
Mashable? – It seems like the guy who wrote the article has no editorial experience. Although at WP:RSN said it looks fine if its not sponsored and I cannot tell whether the article is sponsored or not
- Sponsored posts seem to always ave "[SPONSORED" on them]

maybe more to come...

Verifiability

Parrish said: "It made me realize that if I spent – It would be better if the citation was also right after the quote
- Done
The short's background dancers are inspired by that of Chicago, New York City, and Los Angeles. – It looks like the ref says that the city in the short was inspired by those cities not the background dancers.
- Fixed

Maybe more to come...

Other

the copyright detector shows a 64%+ similarity. It looks like the entire plot was just copied and pasted from one website. @Kingsif: do you think they copied Wikipedia or Wikipedia copied them?
- I think they're copying from WP because they link an Instagram post posted on 5 June 2021, while the plot was added on 9 March 2021
  - Good catch
  - @Kaleeb18: Just to add, you can get a sense of which is which quite easily with plot summaries. Industry plot summaries are typically very promotional in tone, have cliffhangers and excitement. Wikipedia plot summaries are more dry. It's harder to spot with other text, but with good wiki-tone, you can make educated guesses. Going through version history to see slight wording differences also helps, if the source website doesn't have a date - with small differences, if an earlier version of the Wikipedia article matches the website exactly, the website probably copied from WP, and WP has been tweaked since. Kingsif (talk) 21:41, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to say something about the fair use of the infobox picture, but you already fixed it.

maybe more to come...

broadness

The first three refs say something about working with Keone and Mari was the key to making this film work... that can be used in this article.
- I feel like this is already implied: According to Parrish, approximately half of the dancing is based off the Madrids'.^[9] He stated the they had a rapid and staccato style of motion that reminded him of animation.^[8] The Madrids used various dance styles, which ranged from "big, athletic, gravity-bending to small, communicative, and gestural to couple-y romantic".^[4] In the storyboards, they attempted to communicate the film's emotional moments.^[9] Disney created an animatic using a video reference of the Madrid's choreography, which served as the foundation for the animation.
In the Indie Wire ref the paragraph that starts "In terms of the color palette, Disney contrasted" that paragraph can be used in production.
- Added
In the CBR ref there is plenty of information that can be used that hasn’t.
- Added

@Kaleeb18: Hopefully, all Done. Pamzeis (talk) 04:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis: Looks like the article is good to become a GA. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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