Talk:Vickers A1E1 Independent

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Vickers A1E1 Independent[edit]

Having reviewed the Tank Museum website this seems to the right order for the name, I'll check physically when I'm down there in August/September. GraemeLeggett

References[edit]

The bottom two references seem to both lead to 404 page not found.Pepe.is.great (talk) 18:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have now fixed the linksPepe.is.great (talk) 01:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So close and yet so far...[edit]

"The tank was the subject of industrial and political espionage," Yes, the germans had stolen the plans for it. But then the article goes: "the plans ending up in the Soviet Union, where they may have influenced the design of the T-28 and T-35 tanks" Which is completly wrong. T-28 and T-35 are based on Grosstraktor Krupp and Grosstraktor Rheinmetall that was tested by Weimar Republic in USSR. Grosstractor is based on same stolen plans. Soviets didn't steal it from british, they've got them from germans for free in exchange for tank school and training. Don't turn your own anti-soviet bias into a tool of spinning up new theories where the events are pretty clear. Just look at suspension of all tanks involved if you need further evidence. Especially on forward support rollers that have suspension on Medium Mark 3, have no suspension on Grosstractor and cease to exist entirely on T-28. Why? Because soviets haven't known that original version had suspension for them so they viewed them as unnecessary element since without springs they didn't do their job properly. In short, I ask if this nonsence can be corrected, maybe include photos of all 3 tanks? Not to mention that Independent is de facto grandfather of T-28, Neubaufahrzeug and Cruiser Mk.1 and through them ancestor of such renowned vehicles as Pz.IV, SMK/KV-1, Cavalier and many others. Article in current form is too short and doesn't fully represent influence of Independent on pre-WWII tank industry of Great Britain, Germany and Soviet Union. Thank you in advance. 37.214.86.211 (talk) 15:13, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]