Talk:Walt Disney Animated Classics

Computer Animated Features

I have removed Dinosaur, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons and Bolt from offical classic cannon as there are notconsider offical classic cannon by the Disney corporation. Regardless of others views on "proper" cannon, the corporation does not recognizes its a classic, but rather a computer animated features. Please see Disney A to Z: The Offical Encyclopedia, Third Edition, by Dave Smith, page 33, and its supplement found here at page 55.Jvsett (talk) 07:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.disneyanimation.com/aboutus/history.html . And it IS an official website owned by Disney, as official and as owned as Smith is. --Elikrotupos (talk) 08:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Ok, it's been discussed here. --Elikrotupos (talk) 08:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Something doesn't add up... according to the list, Lilo & Stitch is the 42nd Animated Classic, but the Lilo & Stitch DVD box says it's the 41st. It looks like Dinosaur isn't supposed to be on the list, unless Disney decided to retroactively add it after Lilo & Stitch's release.Sock-fox (talk) 17:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Which DVD release? I just looked at my copy (first release) and it doesn't even mention which number it is. If it's the current re-release, this could be something worth following. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

My DVD is the original UK release. Maybe it's not mentioned on other regional versions, but it's the very first sentence in the description of the movie on this copy. I can't find a scan of the back cover online, so I'll try to get a scan of my own later.Sock-fox (talk) 19:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe Dinosaur was added back into the count recently. Disney itself is claiming it on its website, and while this technically makes it self-published, it's about as reliable as it gets ... even if it is prone to occasional bouts of revisionism. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I figured they might've just decided it was canon after all once they switched over to 3D for Chicken Little.Sock-fox (talk) 19:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

... which may well be what happened. Anyway, if anyone asks you what number Lilo and Stitch is in the order of Disney animated classics, you can give them the answer: 42. :) --McDoobAU93 (talk) 20:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Discussion Regarding Disney Film List Clean-Up

For discussions regarding the over-arching clean-up of the various Disney animated film lists, please see this WikiProjects page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Disney/Animated Film Article Cleanup. Please add any discussion regarding same there for the time being. Thank you. Jvsett (talk) 04:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The term "canon"

Sorry, I don't know how to speak to you but what is wrong with Canon? Why do you have the authority to control the Disney page may I ask McDoob? What is wrong with that term? That is what the films are collectively called. Why can't I change the Rapunzel page? It is the 50th film in the CANON. I did not write anything derogatory or wrong, I wanted to change it to reflect the canon. It has to be 'produced by the studio' because you wrote it like that right? It is the 50th film, from the official Disney Animation website. What is the difference? It is cited on the main List of Disney theatrical animated features, I have to cite the fact that it is a part of the canon? Maybe you can do that since you control everything? I may note that the official website does not state 'Official List' so it's just your own choice right? I remember before that it was Official Canon, which sounds better to me. Admit it, you control the wording of everything. You just don't want anyone else messing up your work. I apologize if I am being rude, but you are just hiding behind the fact that I didn't cite anything. Cite what? When I change one word from list to canon when you already wrote it is named the canon?

Everyone should know that McDoob is a control freak. I'm sure he will delete this as well.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.66.13 (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

To answer part of your question, I don't control everything. To continue further, if I were to delete your statement, I'd be doing Wikipedia a great disservice, because, at the core, you are asking a question of me, and it is not unreasonable that I should answer it. That said, Wikipedia has what is called consensus, which is what the various editors of the articles agree upon. Here is a discussion from a similar article, List of Disney animated features discussing the topic:

Looking at the wikilinked page here for "canon" (film canon), the definition stated is Film canon is the limited group of movies that serve as the measuring stick for the highest quality in the genre of film.. "canon", by itself, is for a body of works considered genuine or official within a fictional universe, such as the "Star Wars universe". I think we can all agree that there is no singular Disney film "universe" that the "canon" term would apply to, so we are left with the "film canon" usage. We could go in 2 different angles with this: (a) that the Disney Animated Canon was a specific historical set of identified films that are a subset of all films worked on by WDFA/WDAS, with no additional films being added to the list; or (b) that the Disney Animated Canon is simply a complete list of all films worked on by WDFA/WDAS. As stated earlier, Disney's stance is that there no longer is a "Disney Film Canon" as it appears they are going by the "b" definition shown here. Thoughts? SpikeJones (talk) 15:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree Canon for random titles of movies are bit bold statement here. DoctorHver (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Put simply, the consensus of the editors of this group of articles is that the use of the term "canon" is not appropriate for this list. Thus, changing the term unilaterally, without discussion and agreement from the editors, can be disruptive.

I hope this answers your question, and I certainly invite other editors to chime in with their opinions/suggestions.

McDoobAU93 (talk) 05:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

So you are an editor of this page? How can I become an editor so that I can change this silly consensus? You mentioned that the films are known as the Canon so why is it too strong to use as the title? That's contradictory, fans know it as the Canon that is separated into different ages along with the Disney Renaissance. Why is the Renaissance undisputed then? I am also confused about the article that you quoted, doesn't it mention that Disney is going by B, which means that new films are being added to the list every year, thus it is a part of the overall canon? Did Disney officially say that "It is NOT a canon, it's just a list of films" ?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.66.13 (talk) 07:04, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

You are an editor too, anonymous. Being an editor doesn't mean "changing the consensus" (that's an absurd statement). You can bring your opinion to the attention of the community, and your opinions must be supported by facts and sources, like anyone else's ones. There's already a discussion about the list of Walt Disney animated movies, and the name of that list is just one of the many issues we're facing. If you want to contribute, please register yourself in Wikipedia and then join us at this page, read it, and then answer and partecipate, you'll be very welcome. If you don't want to, you must be so kind to stop editing pages that are still under discussion by people interested in finding a right and objective solutions to the cited issues, a solution that fit the guidelines of Wikipedia and not my personal opinon or McDoob's or yours. --Elikrotupos (talk) 08:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

New Winnie the Pooh movie need to be added?

http://ca.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idCATRE5511F920090602 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.33.255.86 (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)