Talk:Westland Sea King/GA1
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Reviewer: Arsenikk (talk · contribs) 19:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I will review this article. Arsenikk (talk) 19:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Comments
- I have conducted a minor copy-edit. The one issue which seems to repeat is that a handful of sentences are too long. There was also a bit of repeatlinking.(fixed)
- The lead fails to even mention that the helicopter was used by other countries. I would also like to see the first year of production and the total production number in the lead. If that leads to a longer lead, that is probably just as good.
- Quotes are not in italics (fixed)
- The sentence starting with "A variant of the Egyptian Commando..." reads awkwardly.
- NBC protective suits? Spell out for readers who may not know what NBC stand for, and perhaps link to something else than National Broadcasting Company. (fixed)
- There are multiple disambig links in the article (see here)
- A few of the variants are missing refs.
- Online refs need access dates. (done)
- I cannot access the external link "Royal Navy Sea Kings" (dead link, replaced with a more current link).
- Image licences check out good.
- My one major concern with the article is that while it covers the operation history with the UK, Australia and India extensively, no operational history is mentioned for the other countries. I'm not saying that this needs to be as long as the others, but there still needs to be a proportional section on those operators as well.
- I feel this shortfall as well; but I honestly have tapped my sources heavily to get this much compiled - two weeks ago we didn't even have a peep on India until I basically wrote the entire section from scratch (and other editors have also expanded it and made alterations with more material, corrections ect). I could go back to my sandbox and draw up an 'Other' section, try and cobble something together, but the only book I have access to on Germany's Sea King is in German, which I can't actually read. As for Norway and Qatar, I haven't even come across books on them. I'm not trying to naysay the concept, as it is valid and should be worked towards, but I struggle to create content in the absense of source material to learn and cite from; I honestly put together as many sections as I thought viable from what I had. Then again, there is always the possibility for more, especially with the help of other enthusastic editors, I'm sure something can be developed. Kyteto (talk) 18:36, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- As I am Norwegian, I can try to put together a paragraph or so on the NoRAF service, it shouldn't be too hard to find some sources. I can get by reading German, so if the book is online I can try to get something compiled. Arsenikk (talk) 20:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well done on a strong start to the 'Others' section. In regards to the German book, it is held in a restricted domain, so it's inaccessable to the general public; if it helps the name was simply: Westland Sea King MK.41, ISBN: 3935761376. I'll keep brainstorming searches in case I get lucky and find something usable. Kyteto (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
- As I am Norwegian, I can try to put together a paragraph or so on the NoRAF service, it shouldn't be too hard to find some sources. I can get by reading German, so if the book is online I can try to get something compiled. Arsenikk (talk) 20:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- I feel this shortfall as well; but I honestly have tapped my sources heavily to get this much compiled - two weeks ago we didn't even have a peep on India until I basically wrote the entire section from scratch (and other editors have also expanded it and made alterations with more material, corrections ect). I could go back to my sandbox and draw up an 'Other' section, try and cobble something together, but the only book I have access to on Germany's Sea King is in German, which I can't actually read. As for Norway and Qatar, I haven't even come across books on them. I'm not trying to naysay the concept, as it is valid and should be worked towards, but I struggle to create content in the absense of source material to learn and cite from; I honestly put together as many sections as I thought viable from what I had. Then again, there is always the possibility for more, especially with the help of other enthusastic editors, I'm sure something can be developed. Kyteto (talk) 18:36, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Most interesting article, not least because it is an helicopter I do get to see around. Placing article on hold until the above has been see to. Arsenikk (talk) 13:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- Hello there, though I'd check in and ask if there is an aspect of the article you'd like me to focus on right now? Kyteto (talk) 23:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
- Personally my main concern is the lack of at least a decent-size paragraph on the operations in Egypt, Belgium, Pakistan and Qatar, preferably about the length of the Germany and Norway sections. Arsenikk (talk) 15:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- Using the power of recycling, I've regurgitated mostly pre-existing information in the article to create a make-shift Others section. I'll ponder on what more I can add to it over the next 24 hours. Kyteto (talk) 22:46, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- Is it possible to summarize the number of helicopters delivered to each country (some countries have this information, some don't). Also, there are some of the minor issues above which still need to be sorted out (for instance disambig links). Arsenikk (talk) 08:30, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- I believe I've sort out the disambig links; I'll try to work on the numbers - but I likely won't be able to fill in every section, as in some places numbers get quite sketchy. Kyteto (talk) 21:49, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
- Is it possible to summarize the number of helicopters delivered to each country (some countries have this information, some don't). Also, there are some of the minor issues above which still need to be sorted out (for instance disambig links). Arsenikk (talk) 08:30, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Using the power of recycling, I've regurgitated mostly pre-existing information in the article to create a make-shift Others section. I'll ponder on what more I can add to it over the next 24 hours. Kyteto (talk) 22:46, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- Personally my main concern is the lack of at least a decent-size paragraph on the operations in Egypt, Belgium, Pakistan and Qatar, preferably about the length of the Germany and Norway sections. Arsenikk (talk) 15:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Any progress? It's been over a week since any edits have been made to the article. What is left to do? BlueMoonset (talk) 20:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- The numbers were resolved by Nigel; if there are further issues to resolve, I am ready to respond to them. Kyteto (talk) 22:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- It's good enough to meet the good article criteria, so I'll pass it. My personal opinion is that should the article be aiming at FA, there would need to be more balance in the operations section, perhaps even a spinn-off article for some of the major operators. Arsenikk (talk) 09:14, 8 May 2012 (UTC)