Talk:Xigang

Taiwan, China

CaradhrasAiguo, I understand your point about China and Taiwan being the same country in your view. However, just because Mongolia, Tannu Tuva, and the west coast of Taiwan were once under some degree of Manchu rule, that can not interfere with the ability of readers on Wikipedia in 2020 to be told that locations they are likely unfamiliar with are in a country with a name they are probably highly familiar with. This encyclopedia is not just for experts, it is for people who are just learning about a new geographical term. But what you are doing here and on Xigang District is clearly damaging to the usability of the encyclopedia. I can't fix the bias you are talking about in terms of US states not having "USA" written after them or the analogous problem with the UK. But I found some parallel examples with Japan and Korea. Oga, Akita in Japan is listed as "Oga, Akita, Tōhoku, Japan" on the Oga page (I just added Tōhoku). Andong in the ROK is listed as "Andong, city in Yeongnam, South Korea" on the Andong (disambiguation) page. (I just added Yeongnam). It would be wrong to not include the words 'Japan' and 'Korea' in the brief descriptions of the relative locations of these minor locations found on disambiguation pages. If you just wrote "Oga, Akita, Tōhoku", I would not have a clue where the location was at. It is reasonable to expect people to know the names of countries that minor locations are found in, but it is beyond reasonable expectation to ask them to know where Tōhoku is. I need the ability to tell readers which of these locations are in mainland China, otherwise they don't know what they are looking at. Again, with the US and UK, I guess because the main language of those nations is English, English Wikipedia assumes readers of this Wiki will know something about them. I would agree that 'USA' and 'UK' should be added after the names of minor locations in those countries. Taiwan has never been under PRC control, nor has Mongolia or Tannu Tuva. The Qing Empire ended in 1911. Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My objection is not to insist on the POV that Taiwan is an integral part of China (whatever that means), but to avoid forcing the opposite POV, per WP:NPOV. Using either the PRC or mainland CN construction avoids both viewpoints by fiat. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 22:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The educated, not to mention the general public, have a feeble and frail grasp of geography. I must be allowed to give the readers clearly stated and informative information on the disambiguation pages. Geographyinitiative (talk) 13:23, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A complete dodging of the question of avoiding any Cross-Strait naming controversy. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 13:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I must have the power to tell the readers where the minor locations are "at" regardless of any secondary considerations, otherwise the encyclopedia is broken. Geographyinitiative (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Telling the readers where a location is at is the whole point of adding additional relative location information on a disambiguation page. Another example: [1] Geographyinitiative (talk) 15:04, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]