Talk:Yngwie Malmsteen/Archive 1

Archive 1

Made slight changes in 1990s section regarding Malmsteen arrest

I removed the word "falsely" from this sentence: "In 1993, Malmsteen's mother-in-law, who was opposed to his engagement with her daughter, had him arrested for threatening her with a shotgun and holding her daughter against her will [1]."

I decided to do so because it wrongly contrasted with the last sentence of the paragraph (which I also reworded a little bit so that context and clarity could be at their optimum) making it seem as though Malmsteen had denied that he had been falsely accused of the crime but the charges were dropped. That is why I changed what I did in the 1990s section.

Have a good day.Trevbork 05:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use criteria

The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. — Κaiba 00:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

No picture?

I think a picture here would be useful, and I'm not sure how that slipped by... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TSchellhous (talk • contribs) 22:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

There is a picture on Wikimedia commons ([[1]]) but it will be deleted by midnight tonight (I'm writing 5 October) if there is still no copyright. Can anyone find any? --Gazco 19:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Specialised vs. Specialized

Hi! I'm not English but I don't think Specialised is the correct term. isn't it? Regards from Basqueland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorasiberia (talk • contribs) 20:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Read WP:ENGVAR. Unless the subject is from the United States then the article uses proper international English spelling and grammar. 156.34.212.152 (talk) 20:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

That's not quite correct. The article was created in British/Commonwealth English, so that's what is used throughout. There is no preference for one over the other, especially in Yngwie's case where there is no "Swedish English" dialect to use. So long as the article is consistent, and there is no strong national tie to a particular variety, either type is acceptable. It's strongly frowned upon to change an article from one variety to another once it's established though. Lankiveil (talk) 02:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC).

Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force

Shouldn't Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force (the group, not the solo album) be mentioned somewhere here, such as the relation between albums released under the name "Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force" and Yngwie, himself? From someone who's only heard a little of Yngwie's music, the whole situation is very confusing, with releases such as Rising Force being attributed to both Yngwie Malmsteen and Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force. -- Christopher C. Parker ^{t c} 15:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

They're separated out on MusicBrainz, so I'm assuming they're separate entities: Yngwie Malmsteen and Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force. -- Christopher C. Parker ^{t c} 15:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

If anybody has any more information on the band's line-up history, go ahead and fix any errors you see in the article. I made the table based on the list of former members that I replaced in the article, and figured out the years from the album articles. I had to guess on a lot of them, though, so I'm sure there's a few errors here and there.

--Rock Soldier (talk) 18:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Harmonic minor?

Actually, Yngwie far more often uses Phrygian Dominant than Harmonic minor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.231.32.89 (talk) 12:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

That's subjective actually, it all depends on where the home key is, the Phrygian Dominant is essentially the same as the Harmonic Minor, just a different mode.86.151.167.175 (talk) 20:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)AdamD

Well, no offense, but the minor scale is essentially the same as the major scale, just a different mode, but they certainly are different. 90.231.32.89 (talk) 22:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

It's harmonic minor - phrygian dominant is a mode (of the harmonic minor scale) NOT a key. Bigfatspider (talk) 20:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Yngwie Parodies

I think someone should add a section that talks about the amount of parodies he has on the internet and why youtube is full of videos making fun of him. Avyfain 05:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

That would just end up being unreferenced original research. Also far from encyclopedic. 156.34.223.200 10:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

i think something should be added about the time yngwie fought godzilla, if my memory serves me well, the entire earth was destroyed.--Meetwad 11:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Very interesting if true. Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 01:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Those parodies have been deleted due to a claim by "Malmsteen Management." What an ass, he can't even take a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.171.133 (talk) 03:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's swedish... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.197.67.120 (talk) 06:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, i wanted to add some info about these parodies. There was this one finnish guy, whose name i don't remember, but he got headline news this year in Finland for doing parodies about famous guitarists at YouTube. Nobody complained. But when he did a parody about Yngwie, it took some 8 hours to get this guy out from YouTube by "Malmsteen Management". Just because Yngwie couldn't take a joke. Woden (talk) 06:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this constitutes "original research" or a valid source, but there is some info on what you are referencing at the following links: [2] and [3]. I agree that there should be some information about the parodies within the article. It's a central and bona fides part of his existence as a public figure. --70.52.220.175 (talk) 05:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

POV

This article is rife with biased statements such as: "Widely recognised for his guitar skills, Malmsteen achieved widespread acclaim in the 1980s for his technical proficiency and his pioneering of the shred guitar technique, and neo-classical metal genre." Other examples abound and this article needs to be rewritten for neutrality. Grim-Gym 04:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Not to be a prick or anything, but it could be that he is widely recognized for his skill. Pretty silly article to get all anal about NPOV on. 76.111.92.66 15:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I have to side with the article as it stands. He IS widely recognized for that stuff, and he DID pioneer shred guitar and neo-classical. NPOV is not applicable here, since the claims are true and not misrepresented. 11.ninjas 19:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, if he is "widely" recognized for various things, then you need to cite who thinks that and say that they think that. It lacks neutrality to imply that the vast majority of the general population think this. Furthermore, there are also many other POV statements in the article—I just named a few at random. Grim-Gym 08:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Grim-Gym, he is "widely recognized" as long as all interviewed subjects are 15-25 years old metal fans :D 81.96.125.240 17:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Grim-Gym, I think it's pretty evident if you read interviews with technically proficient guitarists from the 80s and even today that all of them reference Malmsteen as an inspiration at some point. 76.211.234.146 01:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The point being made is that no one, including the last commenter above, have proven their point by providing a single source. Link one, or preferably several, of these articles. In the meantime, I have to agree that the article is not written from a NPOV. Citation is what carries this project to its most valid (and verifiable) level, not dedicated fanboyism. --70.52.220.175 (talk) 05:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're going to point out that he is widely recognized for his skill and shred pioneering, you may as well point out that he is also recognized for having a massive ego. Doesn't need to be sourced, because it is widely known (among 15-25 year old metal fans, at least). 68.221.212.218 (talk) 06:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

That is hardly relevant to the article, at all. As far as sources go about Yngwie's influence, there's a lot of them. [4] [5] [6] [7] Erzsébet Báthory_{(talk|contr.)} 15:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, since we're throwing out sources, here are some on his monstrous ego: [8] [9] [10] 68.221.217.160 (talk) 08:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Hi, can someone please clarify the pronunciation of his name? The current pronuciation (pronounced /ˈɪŋveɪ ˈmɑːlmstiːn/ in English)is hardly helpful. Can someone put an English phonetic pronuciation either under this section or in the main page? Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.118.249 (talk) 18:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

It's like Ing-vay Malm-steen, i'm 99% sure —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.230.129 (talk) 19:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

More like Yng-v(ae)(h) Ma(h)lm-st(i)en //94.254.1.101 (talk) 15:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

pronunciation

Why is it that it is written in only IPA? Clearly that's useful for the <1% of users who know that system, but the vast majority do not. Why can't there be that and a simple phonetic spelling in Latin characters?

And don't go quoting some Wikipedia guidelines. It's common sense. Make it easy for people to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.113.138.46 (talk) 06:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Unspecified cover

I found a cover Abba's "Gimme Gimme Gimme" by Malmsteen but when searching through the records i have not found this mentioned anywhere here is the link [11] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.177.37.202 (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The cover is on The Best of 1990-1999 album. The page does not exist yet because no one has entered the info in so that is why you could not find it. To prove what I just said here is a link to the cd on cd universe. [12]. Someone should add information about this cd to the article. I only know the track titles or else I would add it myself. Lightning1453 (talk) 06:41, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Yngwie's violence.

"In 1993, Malmsteen's mother-in-law, who was opposed to his engagement with her daughter, had him arrested for threatening her with a shotgun and holding her daughter against her will. The charges against Malmsteen were dropped when he denied the incident."

I don't disbelieve this at all. I knew someone who dated Yngwie, he threatened to kill her with a handgun if she wouldn't get an abortion. This was late '80s or possibly early '90s. Also there was some incident that apparently got local media coverage about him breaking the jaw of his next girlfriend after her and this girl needing to get her jaw wired shut. It was covered in the local news on some level as I understand it and might be able to be included if someone has any access to Miami area publication archives of around the time. This kind of information needs to come to light to some level, as many "fans" I've spoken to don't know these aspects of him. He apparently liked getting into bar fights, had a passing interesting vexillology, and liked calling things or people of great scope "the big cheese". 67.5.157.8 (talk) 04:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha. He's pretty infamous for being a nut and a bit of an asshole. A friend of mine who had been listening to Yngwie since the very beginning, and bought his first guitar because of the inspiration he felt in his music, went to a Malmsteen concert with his very first guitar. It was like a dream come true for him, getting Yngwie Malmsteen to sign his very first guitar that he bought as a kid because of his idolisation of the guitarist. He waited in line at the signing after the show until 3 in the morning, when finally his turn came, and he remained as calm as possible and took the Strat off his shoulder and put it gently on the table, and greeted Yngwie and told him his name. Malmsteen just looked down at the guitar, then up at him, and said, "I sign NO MAN's guitar!" and waved him off. 216.185.250.92 (talk) 06:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Please note that what is written in the reference does not mention anything about "being held against their will". It also says he was falsely accused of it. I have changed the text to match the article referenced. It's also unknown if that's a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.227.34.83 (talk) 04:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Glam metal?

Not only his look, but also the sound. Plus he was in the glam metal band AlcatrazzSteeler. Shouldn't glam metal be added to the genre box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunwarband (talk • contribs) 18:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The term glam metal is more of a reference to visual style or fashion. There really isn't any such thing as glam metal music. Glam metal isn't a distinct musical style. Its OK to say a band has a glam metal look. But since it isn't really a defined musical genre it does not belong in a genre box. GripTheHusk (talk) 19:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

That's not true at all, Glam metal is definitely a distinct style. If they play some hard rock or metal band on the radio I can tell the ones that are glam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.87.70 (talk) 03:33, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Nah I agree with Grip, it's an element of presentation rather than a defineable genre. Kind of like the difference between "black metal" and "satanic death metal," there isn't one musically, the two genres overlap in dozens of aspects. Similarly, glam metal is more about the image of the band than an element of music. 216.185.250.92 (talk) 06:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Agree as well. You can't accurately guess that a band is glam metal based on the band's sound. W.A.S.P. is a glam metal band as was Lizzy Borden and Guns N Roses. These bands are not very similar to widely acknowledged glam bands like Pretty Boy Floyd, Poison, or Bang Tango. The speed metal band Racer X had a glam metal look, as did the progressive metal band Queensrÿche. Stryper, the Christian metal band certainly had a glam metal look, but if one heard "In God We Trust" for the first time without being familiar with the band, I doubt the "glam metal" connection would be immediate. ~ A.K. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.244.96 (talk) 10:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Guitar Center's Hollywood Rockwalk

I'm surprised there is no mention of his induction into Guitar Center's Rockwalk on Sunset Bl in Hollywood. The last time he played in L.A., I think it was in 2008, I learned at the show that on the following day he was being so honored. As I already had that day off work, planning ahead knowing I would be up late after the show, I went to the ceremony. I thought it was very cool as truly talented people tend to go unnoticed in the popular circles. Anyway I just thought this should be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.178.132 (talk) 22:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Yngwie's heritage

Is he jewish? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.194.13.105 (talk) 06:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

No way... he doesn't follow any religion, but he's got a cross on a chain on his hand.

He's 100% Swedish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.166.215 (talk) 20:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Hehe... so, he can´t be jewish if he´s swedish? :)one is a religion and one is a nationality. He was born in Jewland, but he adheres to the swedish faith...or...? No, he´s is probably just atheist, or if he is religious it would be close at hand to assume he is lutheran since that is most common among swedish religious people.83.255.160.110 (talk) 11:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

External links updated

Hello

i have added a link for the new French fanclub called malmsteen france

Tonton Mick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonton Mick (talk • contribs) 18:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Lots of tiny edits. AND I also have a couple other editing questions.

List of edits:

(I changed only material inside the "Early Life" section.)

a. Added June 30, 1963 for quick birthday reference.

       b. Altered June 30 and 1963 into hyperlinks so one may link out of the                              
       Yngwie article into the entry of June 30 and/or 1963.

       c. Changed "musical family" into "musically talented family" as this 
       makes more sense and is more professional.

       d. Added Sweden to clarify where Stockholm was located.

       e. Altered Sweden to allow a user to link out of the Yngwie article and 
       into an article about Sweden.

       f. Altered Jimi Hendrix to allow a user to link out of the Yngwie 
       article and into an article about Jimi Hendrix.

       g. Added music after "classical" in the third paragraph to clarify that 
       classical was describing music and not an abstract concept 
       ("influence").

       h. Removed the ability for someone to link out of the Yngwie article on 
       the third entry of the phrase "Jimi Hendrix" because there is already a 
       "Jimi Hendrix" that links out to the article about Jimi Hendrix.

       i. Changed "not widely used" (in the fourth paragraph of "The Early 
       Life") into "that are less common"

The other editing questions

1. In reference to the first and second sentences of the second paragraph of the article, does anyone or does the majority of people discussing this page find it to be practical, accurate, and neutral to change:

"Widely recognised for his guitar skills, Malmsteen achieved widespread acclaim in the 1980s for his technical proficiency and his pioneering of the shred guitar technique, and neo-classical metal genre."

to

"Malmsteen is best known for his ability to play the guitar and for his contribution to the neo-classical metal genre. Malmsteen was able to take certain techniques and sounds of traditional orchestral and classical concertos and combine them with the rapid and up-tempo speeds of 1980s heavy metal using a technique called 'shredding'. This playing technique is known to have originated from the 1980s and many consider Malmsteen one of the first heavy metal musicians to utilize this technique."

Trevbork 21:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The proposed alternate version is unreferenced and, in many cases, wrong. "Shredding" was in existence long before the 1980s. In the 70s a 15 year old Shawn Lane was "out-shredding" any/all of the known shredders to emerge in the 80s. Jazz and Bluegrass guitarists have been shredding for decades. No original research without verifiable references from Reliable sources. 156.34.230.90 21:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

this is totally not true - shawn lane was a great player but he was nowhere near malmsteen's level of overall cleaness and control - I saw both players around that time and though shawn was definitlely at that level of speed, he was very fast - malmsteen had far better articulation and control and played very difficult lines - lane was more of a pattern player - malmsteens command of in pitch bending and vibrato still borders on the impossible ..... the malmsteen entry for wikipedia really should have a section on his contribution to guitar techique ... malmsteen was a legit virtuoso ... he blew peoples minds back in the day, you didn't have to like him or even his music to hear he had unusual abililty on the guitar - very fluid and weird angular lines and of course very muscular alternate picking and bending —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.222.205 (talk) 03:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

It's more about the title than the technique. There are certainly players who played quickly before him, but no bluegrass player swore by a proficient shredding technique. The term, as it is associated with the emergence of heavy metal, would be a major oversight to leave out when talking about malmsteen. Without a few direct sources, we certainly can't say he's the "inventor", but a pioneering user doesn't have to be first, he just has to be ONE of a handful of people who utilize the skill in a popular and innovative way, and, looking at the other debates here, it seems we have plenty of relevant sources that would support such a claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.131.212 (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

As a clarification of the previous post, the line "This playing technique is known to have originated from the 1980s and many consider Malmsteen one of the first heavy metal musicians to utilize this technique," the word "this" refers to the technique of shredding in regard to the established, and not vaguely emerging, heavy metal scene, not to the idea of playing the guitar fast. Regardless of the fact that some people played quickly before malmsteen, we still need to acknowledge that some of them were more influential than others. And though there may have been hard rocking music in the 40's and 50's, there was nothing with the label "heavy metal," and it would be inaccurate to act as if the 70's were the peak of popular influence in heavy metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.131.212 (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

On an episode of the American television series "House" that first aired on 28 November 2011, the title character, played by actor Hugh Laurie, joked "Ability isn't enough; Just ask Yngwie Malmsteen". This was obviously an inside joke for the benefit of old metalheads and guitarist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.253.244.172 (talk) 03:07, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Initial in article name?

Is there any particular reason that the article is named "Yngwie J. Malmsteen" rather than just "Yngwie Malmsteen"? I can't remember the last time I saw an article name that used a middle initial. f(x)=ax²+bx+c 22:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The guitarist himself has always used his middle intitial throughout his career. I think it was, as Spinal Tap put it, so that he wouldn't be confused with all the other guitar playing Yngwie Malmsteens in the World. 156.34.235.195 23:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you're right. I'd never noticed that. I usually see him referred to without the initial. Anyway, if that's the way he prefers it, I guess there's no reason to change it. f(x)=ax²+bx+c 04:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the article. There's no reason why the page name should have the initial. The name he's known by should be used over his idiosyncratic preference. Besides, it'll only confuse people into thinking there's someone else out there to confuse him with--which, as everyone knows, is ridiculous and unfit for an encyclopedia. Grim-Gym 05:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

But Yngwie J. Malmsteen is the name he's known by. =/ Why do you insist on meddling with something that should be left well alone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Django5 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

We need to do this to the Michael J. Fox and George W. Bush articles.90.135.63.40 (talk) 22:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually there's very specific reasons those two people have their middle initial used in references to them; Michael J. Fox always referred to himself that way because there was an actor named Michael Fox in the Screen Actors' Guild and had to make the distinction. George W. Bush is referred to that way to avoid confusion with his father, George Herbert Walker Bush (who used to just be referred to as "George Bush" until his son became prominent in politics). 71.229.178.108 (talk) 20:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the former President Bush has always been formally and commonly known as "George H.W. Bush". The more recent President Bush has always been formally known as "George W. Bush". The use of "George Bush" has always been more out of convenience, and has always carried a contextual assumption on which Bush was being referenced. "Yngwie Malmsteen" is a more convenient (read as lazy) way of referencing Yngwie J. Malmsteen, for which the artist has been called throughout his career. Therefore, use of the middle initial is the more proper form, but "Yngwie Malmsteen" is also acceptable. Malmsteen has long used both variants of his name. In re Malmsteen's albums, his debut album is entitled, "Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force". Numerous albums are titled with the middle initial. His most recent releases do not feature the middle initial. This should not be read, however, as Malmsteen deciding to drop the middle initial. -- A.K. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.244.96 (talk) 04:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Just to add a little fuel ... When one examines any score of Yngwie's music, the score will be shown as being composed by Yngwie J. Malmsteen. It seems this is the way the man wishes to be known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.127.181.211 (talk) 20:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Playing style

How about a section on his playing style and guitar skills? Portillo (talk) 06:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Bach double violin concerto d minor effort with Mari Silje

Any source re : collaboration with Mari Silje (Trondheim soloists) and Yngwie Malmstein ?

Here's a link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g65oWFMSoK0

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.70.175 (talk) 20:37, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Lack of information

The personal life section refers to "oft-ridiculed behavior" and Malmsteen commenting on it. But it gives absolutely no description of what behaviors are being referred to, nor who is doing the ridiculing. The reference should be defined or removed. Jtcarpet (talk) 23:59, 5 July 2014 (UTC)