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To do[edit]

  And speaking of being hasty... somebody with a very similar set of numerals to my own, posted their first AN/I thread, and got it closed as poor behavior, by an ent. Ahem.  :-)     So at the risk of finding out the speed at which ents are rumoured to grow angry has changed, I will say, that I really did see that unorthodox move as the best way to de-escalate. Sure, it has now backfired, but at least there is one kind of poor behavior I know not to repeat in the future: never post to AN/I until really ready. I dislike that outcome, obviously, partly because I didn't get the specific advice I was after, but also because I don't really have much hope that the situation on the talkpage in question will de-escalate any time soon. I will try not to let it grow worse, but I think this is one of those articles where fundamental disagreements about What Should Be In The Encyclopedia start to rub people wrong. I've just arrived there, and my own self-botched AN/I thread was the first noticeboard-dramah of 2015. But there was plenty of dramah in 2014, including a 'voluntary' mainspace-only-t-ban, and a quasi-related desysop. The contents of mainspace never reached broad consensus, which is to say *outside* the local article-talkpage consensus; thus, the article just became a DMZ-article, waiting for somebody to stumble into it. Moi, apparently.
  Do you have any ent-wisdom to offer, about how I ought to have gone about trying to improve the situation (aka alternative moves I could have made besides posting to AN/I at all), or about what I ought to try going forward? If not (or if it will take some ruminating-time) that is okay. Generic advice, like "follow the pillars" is also fine as far as it goes, but everybody there thinks they *are* following the pillars. So, I specifically came to AN/I, rather than going to some admin that I already happened to know, because I wanted to avoid the appearance of pulling in "my clique" to help me "win" the wiki-battle. And of course, immediately got accused that my AN/I post was attempting to "win" the content-dispute. Sigh.  :-)     Anyways, if you don't wanna mess with this situation, no hard feelings whatsoever, I'm sure it will all work out in the long run. Best, (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
If you can provide a link to the AN/I post I'll review it when I get a chance (we may be talking a week or so). NE Ent 11:28, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
WP:NORUSH aka WP:DoNotBeHasty. Here is your close.[1] Here is the brief archived thread, though I don't think it is very helpful for you to see it again, since you already saw it, and closed it as poor behavior.  :-)     My question is, since posting to AN/I was the wrong move, what would have been the right move, or at least, a not-poor move? Taking the specific source-question to RSN? Taking the specific BLP-question to BLPN? Just start going source-by-source, and adding one sentence per source to mainspace, to see what gets reverted, and what does not? There are too many people involved for 3o, and not enough people involved for arbcom, thankfully.  :-)     My other option, that I did seriously consider, was nominating for AfD#3, but that seems a bit pointy, since there are so many sources at the moment. The usual way to attract attention is to mark the article as a stub, and advertise it at the appropriate wikiprojects, but that's also been attempted (albeit not by me). I could open an RfC up, as the next phase; WP:DR would be logical, in theory, but it only works if there is a possibility of compromise.[2] There's already been plenty of talkpage discussion, and I don't expect longer and deeper discussion will help, though possibly metronome-edits to mainspace would help. I'm planning on checking some other encyclopedia, spaketh not their vile names here on-wiki o'course, to see if they have child prodigy articles, and if so what depth. (talk) 01:40, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Yea, Jacob Barnett is weird; an article with nothing notable in it about a person who became notable for stuff we're not going to put on-wiki. Another Afd so soon would be pointy. You tried to source it, there was a pretty clear consensus against doing so, so you just move on. Overall Wikipedia the encyclopedia is pretty darn good, in specific pockets, not so much. And Wikipedia: the project is wikt:sausage factory (third definition). NE Ent 22:57, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration amendment request archived[edit]

Hi NE Ent, the Discretionary sanctions arbitration amendment request, which you filed, has been archived to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee#Amendment request: Discretionary sanctions (September 2015). Thank you. For the Arbitration Committee, L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 02:55, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

RfA closing procedure[edit]

I just saw that you closed (was later reverted) the Supdiop RfA with an "archive top" template. That is not correct. There are special templates for RfA closures, and well defined procedure how and where to place them. If you ever close another RfA, please read Wikipedia:Bureaucrats#Promotions and RfX closures before doing so. Kraxler (talk) 13:47, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

It was also premature to close the RfA so soon when there were only a few votes cast and comments when the candidate wants the RfA to continue. It was later SNOW closed but that was after more editors had weighed in on the candidate. Liz Read! Talk! 18:46, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Do ya'll believe there was any non trivial probability of the Rfa passing? NE Ent 19:37, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

The unlikelihood of passing an RfA has not been a reason to close one. Just look at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Recent and there are six unsuccessful RfAs and one successful RfA. In some of the cases, the voting is close but it often isn't and we allow the candidates to see the process through or withdraw. I think WP:SNOW might be appropriate when an RfA has over 15 votes if there doesn't appear to be much support. But not after just three editors have participated in the RfA. I just think it was too early then, especially since the candidate reverted the closure. Liz Read! Talk! 21:31, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Of course the probability of not passing is the reason to not-now / snow-close. What other reason could there possibly be? I don't think there's a reasonable argument that a 1/13 not now is better than a 0/3 not now. The candidate characterized my edit as a good faith edit and accepted the close at 13, two less than your suggested criteria. The question was never whether it was going to not now snow close, it was who and when would be the editor to do it; my attempting it made it easier for subsequent attempts, possibility requiring less of a time sink. So I respect but must disagree with your opinion. NE Ent 21:51, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

That was brilliant![edit]

[3] was ducking brilliant! --Tryptofish (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

The answer to the related riddle of course is "firetruck." Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:11, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Chew on this![edit]

With regard to your edit summary here, I don't think you should be encouraging people to chew bacca. It's a disgusting habit and can lead to cancer of the mouth and throat. EEng (talk) 03:00, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


Why did you delete my ANI report on Dr Blofeld? You removed the entire thread. Why????? Caden cool 22:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

He didn't remove it. He closed and hatted it. Caden, the comment in question has been removed, so there's no reason to keep things going. Sarah (talk) 22:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)