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Bold textIn regard to Susanna White's maiden name, I am including direct reference to the Breeches Bible provided through historians who had it to peruse, the following showing her maiden name in several references. Also (when my references were called into challenge I was burying my husband, thus the delay until now.)

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ID: I3441 Name: William WHITE Given Name: William Surname: White Sex: M

Entries: 10602 Updated: 2014-09-02 22:43:02 UTC (Tue) Owner: Gloria Hardcastle

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William White was listed on the log of the Mayflower. His son Peregriene was the first English child born in America. ..................................... William White The following is from Ancestral Chronological Record of the William White Family (Concord: Printed by the Republican Press Association, 1895):

"William, son of Bishop John White, married Susanna Fuller in Leyden, Holland. They were married by Reverend John Robinson. She was a sister of Samuel Fuller who also came in the Mayflower". "William White's breeches bible, a well-preserved book that came over in the Mayflower, interesting historic facts in the original memoranda. The

book is bound, in old style, in boards and leather, but whether it is the original binding we cannot say. At all events the book is wonderfully well preserved. It is sixteen years older than a copy, containing the same famous translation, which is or was owned by Horace Johnson. This edition is called the Breeches Bible because of the translation of the original word, in describing the shame following Eve's fall, not as an apron but breeches made of sewed fig-leaves. What greatly adds to interest and value of this edition owned by Cowles is the evident fact that the book was owned by William White, in 1608; was brought over by him in the Mayflower on that now famous voyage; and that it contains, in ancient handwriting, on the margin of the pages, and blank pages a good deal of writing by White and White's son Perigrine...This Bible actually contains the elder White's record of this domestic event, as well as other facts in family record-his marriage, etc. Here is a part of the record, written on the margin of one of the leafs of this old bible:

Sonne born to Susanna White, Dec 19, 1620 yt six o clock morning.

Then follows a line or more not very distinct, clearly referring to the domestic event as a cause for "thanksgiving".

There is a great deal of scribbling on the book’s pages, as on those separating Old and New Testament, Apocrypha, and the original old hymns. and this seems scribbling, and childish work of picture-making seen to have been done after William White's death, apparently by some of his children or grandchildren. One grotesque little image, in very pale ink on the margins of a leaf, has under it the name, Peregrine-as if meant for him. The leaf margins for a considerable space are much covered with writing for paper was scarce in those early days and some lines almost cover others, making it difficult occasionally to decipher all. Perhaps the oldest of all of the entries is this, in pale ink, on one of the margins and in a handwriting that fitted with the fashion of writing in the year:

William White, his book 1608.

Another scene, and one more historic is referred to in this entry: "Left Delf haven in Holland. Sailed for Southampton, August 1619" Another memorandum, or rather two, are these: "Leyden, Holland March 1609. At Amsterdam, Holland, April, Anno Domini 1608.

Here is another, of much historic interest now. It must be borne in mind that the dates of the month are according to old style:

William White sailed from Plymouth in ye ship Mayflower ye 6th day of September, Anno Domini 1620. Nov ye 9th came to the harbour called Cape Cod Harbour, in ye dauntless ship.

And perhaps a later had added,

And brought back for William Brewster 1622-23

The book had apparently passed into the possession of the Brewsters soon after White's death 1621. Their entries are usually dated 1622-23. It is a notable circumstance that children made rude drawings of objects, when they include the "metin-house" make it just like the "old original four-side roof, with a projection at the apex, that was built in 1638- 40 for the First church in Hartford." On one margin is a picture of an Indian drawing a bow, and here is written, Wee (were) greeted thus when wee came in on ye shore Another entry is this: Some of our strong men went on board and put to flight the natives whom we saw. They being afraid of the Powder from our gunns.

Here is a memorandum, made at the time, of an occurrence:

Landed yt Plymouth. December ye 11th, 1620.

One margin contains these entries by two different personas apparently:

This book is the property of William White and his wife Susanna who embarked on board the Mayflower. We road with great Comfort on board ye Ship Lyon The promies we find in this book. We took this Book with our Company on board ye ship Lion 18th July AD 1632. Returned yt to William Brewster for Mr. William White who came with the Plymouth Company and was made the Propertie of William Brewster for his Estate-His Book-Brought back to Plymouth.

Another marked event was this:

Ye Ship Mayflower departed from us, in ye month of March ye 12, 1621. We found ye ship Lion 1632, and was greatly rejoysed. Came Roger Williams on board Ship. There is more, but it runs into the print and is not very legible. A good picture of the ship Lion is drawn on the margin.

One touching reference is made to the necessity of leveling the graves that were made in that terrible first winter, in order that spying Indians might not know the truth as to the actual number the little colony had lost. It lost 50, just half. ..................................................................................... http://www.mayflowerhistory.com/Passengers/WilliamWhite.php

Biographical Information William White is a difficult individual to research, and much as been mispublished about him. There is a marriage record in Leiden, Holland, which records the marriage of a William White to Anna Fuller on 27 January 1612; the marriage was witnessed by Sarah Priest and Anna's brother Samuel Fuller. For many years this was thought to have been the Mayflower passenger, Susanna and Anna being reasonable variants of the same name.

Peregrine White's cradle, brought by the White family on the Mayflower. Photo courtesy of the Pilgrim Hall Museum

This has been a heavily-debated issue: was this the marriage of the Mayflower passenger, or not? There are at least two William White's living in Leiden during the appropriate time period, one was a woolcomber, and one was a tobacco merchant. The William White who married Anna Fuller was called a woolcomber in the 1612 marriage record, which was witnessed by Sarah Priest. On 10 April 1621, well after the Mayflower had departed, William White woolcomber was a party to the antenumptual agreement of Samuel Lee in Leiden. Thus, William White, woolcomber, could not have been the Mayflower passenger. And since Sarah Priest had witnessed the will of William White in 1612, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume it was the same William White who witnessed her own marriage to Godbert Godbertson in Leiden in October 1621? The Mayflower passenger was also not the tobacco merchant, who appears in numerous Leiden records throughout the 1620s. So there was either a third William White in Leiden, or else the William White of the Mayflower may have joined onto the Mayflower's voyage from England. In any case, William and his wife Susanna came on the Mayflower in 1620 with son Resolved; Susanna gave birth to son Peregrine while the Mayflower was still anchored off the top of Cape Cod waiting for the Pilgrims to discover a place to build their colony. William died the first winter, on the same day as three other passengers, including William Mullins. His wife Susanna remarried to Edward Winslow a few months later, being the first marriage to occur at Plymouth. _TMPLT: FIELD: Name: Page 1 Death: 17 FEB 1621

_TMPLT: FIELD: Name: Page 2 _TMPLT: FIELD: Name: Page 3

Father: John WHITE

Marriage 1 Susanna FULLER

Note:

William White The following is from Ancestral Chronological Record of the William White Family (Concord: Printed by the Republican Press Association, 1895):

"William, son of Bishop John White, married Susanna Fuller in Leyden, Holland, July 1, 1612. They were married by Reverend John Robinson. She was a sister of Samuel Fuller who also came in the Mayflower".

Married: 1 JUL 1612 in Leyden, Holland 2 Children

1. Resolved WHITE b: 1614 in Of, Leiden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands 2. Perigrine WHITE b: NOV 1620 in Cape Cod Harbor

Sources:

1. Abbrev: EDWARD ALLEN Title: Maurice Allen, EDWARD ALLEN (copy forwarded by email from John Allen)

. copy forwarded by email from John Allen. Name: Footnote (copy forwarded by email from John Allen) Name: ShortFootnote

Name: Bibliography . copy forwarded by email from John Allen. Repository: Name: Gloria Jayne Thompson Hardcastle Austin TX 78704-5127 2. Abbrev: Ancestral Chronological Record of the William White Family Title: extracted by Melissa Walton and sent to me in email 6 Aug 2002, Ancestral Chronological Record of the William White Family (Concord: Printed by the Republican Press Association, 1895)al Chronological Record of the William White Familyal Chronological Record of the William White Family . Concord: Printed by the Republican Press Association, 1895. Name: Footnoteal Chronological Record of the William White Family (Concord: Printed by the Republican Press Association, 1895) Name: ShortFootnoteal Chronological Record of the William White Family Name: Bibliographyal Chronological Record of the William White Family . Concord: Printed by the Republican Press Association, 1895. Repository: Name: Gloria Jayne Thompson Hardcastle Austin TX 78704-5127 3. Abbrev: excerpt from 1737 book Chronological History of New England Title: Thomas Prince, excerpt from 1737 book Chronological History of New England (www.mayflowerhistory.com)landland . www.mayflowerhistory.com. Note: Mayflower Passengers Who Died the First Winter (1620-1621) Name: Footnoteland (www.mayflowerhistory.com) Name: ShortFootnoteland Name: Bibliographyland . www.mayflowerhistory.com.