User:Wiki Raja/Problems with user Sarvagnya
Problems with user Sarvagnya[edit]
Hi, I am here to report Sarvagnya's numerous deletions of items on the Dravidian topics template here. I was fortunate enough to have an administor put a temporary block on there for 5 days here and to resolve the issue with this user, which I have attempted. I have been asked by Sarvagnya to show reference sources to back my claims, and I have here, here, here, and here, and here. So far, Sarvagnya has not shown a single referenced source to back his claims. He even refuses to do so and continues to ask me to show more referenced sources. Furthermore, he tells me to show him referenced sources and if I do not, he will continue to remove items from the Dravidian topics template here I have shown him books along with the page numbers where I found the info to back my claims, and he is still hell bent on removing items from the template. This user also shows a great intollerance of other people's ethnicities and nationalities, also generalizing certain ethnic groups here, here, andhere.
After the five days were up and nothing resolved, an administrator put a disabled tag on the page to protect it from further deletions here I have reported this user before and when Sarvagnya found out that I reported him, he sent me a threatening message on my talk page here to get me blocked. Lastly, Sarvagnya has managed to find a way around the protection plate and has has began removing items off the template again here, here, and here. Just now, he has just posted a demeaning message on my talk page here. I am beginning to get the impression that this user is messing with me and is trying his level best to get his POV across using wikipedia as some sort of a propganda machine. It would be most appreciated if someone could help with this situation here. Regards. Wiki Raja 00:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- What nonsense. First he called me a vandal when it was infact only a content dispute. And then when I had had enough of his crying wolf, I left a {npa2} on his page. This he now claims is my 'threat' to him. Between all this, he filed a frivolous rfcu in bad faith against me and many ips with all sorts of fabricated evidence. It got thrown out. As for his references, I'd like to see him point out even one user that he has managed to convince on the half dozen talk pages that he's pushing his case on. If he thinks I have some kind of pov and am biased, let him show atleast one user who has supported him. Fact of the matter is that all his so called 'refs' do not prove what he is claiming. For details, people can take a look at Template_talk:Dravidian topics, Talk:Yakshagana, Talk:Carnatic music, Talk:Dravidian people etc.,. You will see that he is fighting a lone and losing battle and yet he is continuing to tag dozens and dozens of articles with his nonsensical {Dravidian topics} template. If anything, he is guilty of blatant trolling and vandalism. Sarvagnya 19:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with Wiki Raja about the behavior of Sarvagnya. And I believe Wiki Raja has supported his claims with citations. He says Wiki Raja is fighting a lone battle. But if you see the [talk page], most of arguments are made by him and Gnanapiti who has been identified as confirmed sock puppet of Sarvagnya [see here].Praveen 21:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- I have tried to discuss this situation with Sarvagnya in a civil manner here. However, he has replied me with an incivil message accusing me of personal attacks here. I then legitimately replied to him in regards to providing referenced sources to back up his claims here and he replied to me with this attack message here. As usual, I held my patience and replied Sarvagnya here. Even furthering the attacks on me, Sarvagnya has tried to get me in trouble in regards to the pics uploaded on my user talk page and templates. He has also continued to harass me with demeaning words here. Therefore, I have replied to him in the appropriate manner here.
- I am not the first to have this encounter with Sarvagnya. He has had a long history of incivility towards other users amongst many other acts of violations. Sarvagnya has been warned in the past to be calm when dealing with other users here and was warned to refrain from shouting and using foul language here and here. He has also been warned for personal attacks against other editors, removal of items, and blanking of pages here, here, here, here, and here. [user:Sarvagnya|Sarvagnya] has also been involved with incivility issues here, here, and here.
- These issues in regards to his past behavior does not stop here. Sarvagnya has been warned for breaking the 3RR or 3 Revert Rule on 28 August 2006 here, and warned for being in danger of breaking the 3RR 17 on October 2006 here and finally blocked on the same date of 17 October 2006 here for breaking the 3RR. After being blocked, Sarvagnya receives another warning in regards to the 3RR on 29 October 2006 here. These 3RR violations are a result of his edit wars in which this user has been warned about here just recently. Sarvagnya has falsely accused me on this page for trolling and vandalism, something in which I have not been involved with. This user fails to see that he has been accused of being biased here and vandalism here and here.
- With all this, Sarvagnya posts illegimate warnings on other people's user talk pages if they disagree with his POV here and here. Even worse, this user has the adacity to not only illegitimately warn people who disagree with his POV, but even brag about it here stating, "But last heard, the guys who was opposing me, one of them ran away from WP[1] and another there got banned for 4 months from Wikipedia. So just chill out and have fun. Thanks again for your cooperation. " Sarvagnya has been bullying a lot of editors on Wikipedia in order to get his POV across and even at one point dared an administrator, User:Jpgordon here to do a check on him when he was reported for an IP check regarding a sock puppet issue. He is not only using Wikipedia as his POV playground, but he is taking the Administration and editors of Wikipedia for a ride.
- Wiki Raja 23:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- All the above rant is so full of blatant lies and half truths that I will refrain from answering them. Unless, of course an admin or another respectable user wants a clarification. Thanks. Sarvagnya 00:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Sarvagnya does have a record of showing a short temper and pushing pov. Plus, if per [2] he has been found guilty of sockpuppeteering, and should get down from his high horse. What we require from Sarvagnya is a statement that he recognizes that sockpuppetry is unacceptable, and that he is required to seek for bona fide compromise within policy; Wikipedia is not a bullying competition, but a collaborative project. His dispute with Wiki Raja may be justified in good faith, but he needs to deal with it in a much more wikilike way. dab (𒁳) 08:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- First things first. No. I have not been found guilty of sockpuppeteering or anything like that. It was an erroneous result that concluded so and upon further investigation by Blnguyen, dmcdevit and few other admins, we(me and Gnanapiti) were cleared of the charges. Unfortunately however, the rfcu page was never updated until yesterday to reflect this. This has made me fair game for people like Wikiraja who revel in coming up with fabricated evidence using half-truths like this.
- I have never been blocked for 3rr. Wikiraja's claim is pure BS. Anybody is free to check my block log. The first time Aksi warned me about 3rr violation in august, I was very new and I didnt even know what 3rr was. Technically it wasnt even a violation, coz nobody warned me when I was 'in danger' of a violation. Since then I have never violated 3rr. The recent warning by User:RaveenS was frivolous and stemmed from the fact that the user probably forgot how to count.
- As for most of the other diffs he's dumped above, who was I warring with? With a WP all time great - User:Mahawiki. Everybody who was involved knows what he was and I am unapologetic. I dont apologise for having been rude to trolls, vandals and sockpuppeteers. He and his comrade User:Arya_Rajya_Maharashtra(who later was caught using multiple and abusive socks against me and banned) were systematically targeting me and the articles I edited. More recently another user who curiously had the exact same POV and editing practices as the duo got banned indefinetely from Wikipedia, again for using abusive and block evading socks repeatedly. If you are looking for an apology from me for being rude to those people, you're not going to get it.
- And dear dab, you accuse me of POV pushing. May I know where? POV pushing was what wikiraja was accusing me of on that template too. Now the votes(many of them from admins) on that tfd speaks for itself. It should be clear now, who was 'POV-pushing' and who was 'NPOV-pushing'.
- And dab, you of all should know that reading selectively quoted diffs can be misleading. For example, I can make a collage of diffs of your correspondences with say, WIN or Baka or somebody(and vice versa) and make a specious case that you've been incivil, vandal, pov-pusher etc., etc.,. I only know to say it the way it is and call a spade a spade. For that, I am unapologetic.
- If anybody(an admin or a respectable user) needs any clarification about any particular diff that wikiraja's dumped above, ask. Even going through something is too much for me especially when I know that it is nonsense. Sarvagnya 16:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- It seems like you could not find the link to the actual warning where you/Gnanapiti were instructed not to edit same pages. Assuming good faith, I provide the link here. Also, the talk page where Wiki Raja is fighting a 'lone' battle is here. Its interesting to note most of the discussions were between Wiki Raja, Gnanapiti, some IPs, and you. Its also interesting see the IP ids which used foul language were found out to be open proxies and consequently banned by Jpgordon. Here is the diff view. All this seems to be too much coincidence to assume good faith Praveen 18:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- I really don't bother answering all these sockpuppetry accusations unless an admin demands clarifications. I have better things to do at wiki. Thanks, Gnanapiti 18:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Remain perplexed. Good for you. :) Did you think of considering my suggestion below, yet? Gnanapiti 22:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- I wonder why there is no response about the proxy IP edits? Have you considered that yet? :) Praveen 22:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- From whom are you expecting the response about the proxy IP edits? and for what reasons?
- If you consider those IP's as suspected IPs, please feel free to open a CheckUser case. - KNM Talk 23:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't consider them as suspected IPs. They are confirmed open proxies. Please read my earlier message thats in bold. Praveen —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.43.49.134 (talk) 14:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC).
- I wonder why there is no response about the proxy IP edits? Have you considered that yet? :) Praveen 22:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- And yeah, why don't you just request a check user rather than beating around the bush? Gnanapiti 19:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- These two accounts were reported for a usercheck back in October of 2006 and both accounts have been confirmed to be the same person on 1 November 2006 here by Dmcdevit. On Nov. 12, 2006 Gnanapiti was unblocked here by Dmcdevit. Info on Sarvagnya's block can be found here. On 9 February 2007, both Sarvagnya and Gnanapiti were involved in a possible vote fraud here. Does it go against Wikipedia policy for sockpuppet and/or meatpuppet accounts to engage in voting? I have been attacked from all directions for the fact that I have formed a WikiProject Dravidian civilizations and have had Dravidian topics templates on Dravidian related sites. But, when those accusing me go against the rules and even break some of the most severe rules, they get a slap on the wrist. I just cannot believe how much biasedness, prejudice, and favoritism is going on here on Wikipedia. There is an intollerance for non-Hindus, non-Brahmins, non-Aryans (Tamils and other Dravidians), and especially against Sri Lankan Tamils here by these editors and administration of this social club who is campaigning against me. I have never once spoke out against a particular ethnic, religious, or any other group. However, it seems that some people are exempt to really trash mouthing the Tamil civilization in both India and Sri Lanka. I promote an interest group, and I get bombarded because it goes against some peoples nationalistic biased POVs. So, what policies are we going by here? Wikipedia policy, or POV policy? It is truly sad what is going on here and how much some of these editors and administrator can get away with by revising history and stating that certain ethnic groups or family of ethnic groups do not exist. When they feel that their POVs are threatened, they go for low blows and fight dirty. I have nothing else to say, other than I am really disappointed with Wikipeida. Wiki Raja 22:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- You remind me of somebody else now... :). You really do. Sarvagnya 22:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Rajsingam (talk · contribs) the one sri lankan tamil i ever worked with seemed not to be obsessed with national mysticism. o and btw, I initiated the checkuser against sarvagnya, at the height of his peculiar anti-Hindi crusade. I was later told sarvagnya introduced gnanpiti to wikipedia. There is more intolerance on the part of Dravidian Nationalists against Brahmins and their permanent obsession with Aryan Invasion Theory and other archaic therories, than there is from other "dravidian" users. Its only certain Tamil users (I am tamil myself) sympathetic to ethnic nationalist political parties and users that enjoy denigrating Hinduism that call themselves dravidian and preach of a dravidian race.Bakaman 23:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- These two accounts were reported for a usercheck back in October of 2006 and both accounts have been confirmed to be the same person on 1 November 2006 here by Dmcdevit. On Nov. 12, 2006 Gnanapiti was unblocked here by Dmcdevit. Info on Sarvagnya's block can be found here. On 9 February 2007, both Sarvagnya and Gnanapiti were involved in a possible vote fraud here. Does it go against Wikipedia policy for sockpuppet and/or meatpuppet accounts to engage in voting? I have been attacked from all directions for the fact that I have formed a WikiProject Dravidian civilizations and have had Dravidian topics templates on Dravidian related sites. But, when those accusing me go against the rules and even break some of the most severe rules, they get a slap on the wrist. I just cannot believe how much biasedness, prejudice, and favoritism is going on here on Wikipedia. There is an intollerance for non-Hindus, non-Brahmins, non-Aryans (Tamils and other Dravidians), and especially against Sri Lankan Tamils here by these editors and administration of this social club who is campaigning against me. I have never once spoke out against a particular ethnic, religious, or any other group. However, it seems that some people are exempt to really trash mouthing the Tamil civilization in both India and Sri Lanka. I promote an interest group, and I get bombarded because it goes against some peoples nationalistic biased POVs. So, what policies are we going by here? Wikipedia policy, or POV policy? It is truly sad what is going on here and how much some of these editors and administrator can get away with by revising history and stating that certain ethnic groups or family of ethnic groups do not exist. When they feel that their POVs are threatened, they go for low blows and fight dirty. I have nothing else to say, other than I am really disappointed with Wikipeida. Wiki Raja 22:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh please do stop it. Sarvagnya has gotten close to line before when dealing with Mahawiki, Arya_Rajya_Maharashtra and Sarvabhaum, except that all those users are now either banned or are likely outdated sockpuppets of each other. Another user Dineshkannambadi who has provided multiple FAs for Wikipedia was also gotten irritated by the antics of these users, so the fact that Sarvagnya has gotten a bit hot under the collar is understandable if not ideal behaviour. Right, what exactly is the issue? I was quietly working through Wiki_Raja to make sure his images were in order yesterday..Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- I have never spoken against Brahmins or any other caste, or any other ethnicity, or religion. Not even once. But I see that it is fair game for others to do so. However, I will not stoop to that level and put anybody down on the basis of ethnicity, religion, or caste (Even though I do not believe in the caste system). Also, by the way, another round of anonymous IP Address users are at it again this time taking off the WikiProject Dravidian civilizations templates off the Dravidian related sites. I am so surprised that this individual forgot to take off the Kannadiga user templates which I have created here, here, here, here, and here in which all of these templates were posted here. By the way, I have already taken care of the images on my user page. FYI: I am not of Sri Lankan background. So, stop making assumptions and stereotypes of me. Wiki Raja 23:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)