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== Fr. Chico Monteiro == |
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Is there some reason for deleting his name from the "List of People from Goa"? |
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--[[User:Dommartin99|Dommartin99]] ([[User talk:Dommartin99|talk]]) 01:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Because the article was deleted per [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fr. Chico Monteiro|this AfD]]. Lists like that tend to include only ''notable'' people, and as the person was determined as not notable in the AfD, I removed him from the list. If lists of people were intended to include ''every'' person, regardless of notability, then our (for example) [[List of Chinese people]] would go on forever. In short, lists of people should generally only include people notable enough to have an article. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 13:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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If having an ''article'' in Wikipedia is generally the criteria for making it in the 'List of People', what's the ''notability'' exception for those who don't have an article but are yet in the list?--[[User:Dommartin99|Dommartin99]] ([[User talk:Dommartin99|talk]]) 17:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Honestly, I haven't looked at each of them, and I don't really have the time to judge each of them on an individual basis. I just saw the redlink in the See also section of [[Fourth Geneva Convention]], and saw that it was a deleted article, so I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fourth_Geneva_Convention&diff=prev&oldid=270044880 removed] it. Disambiguation pages, see also sections, and "list/s of" pages are usually used in order to help the reader find articles that may interest them. Redlinks ''can'' sometimes be used on these pages, but only if there's a possibility that there will be an article on that topic (For example if a person clearly passed [[WP:BIO]], but simply hadn't had an article created on them yet). Given how there ''was'' an article on [[Fr. Chico Monteiro]], but it was deleted as not notable, this is usually an indication that the person won't suddenly gain enough notability for inclusion. |
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:Again, I haven't looked at specific examples on the [[List of people from Goa]], but if I saw that there were other now-deleted articles in the list, I would not hesitate to remove those either. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 17:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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I am not sure if you fully understood or answered my question. However, thank you for clarifying the reason for deleting Fr. Chico Monteiro’s name from the ''List of People from Goa''. |
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The notability test for ''List of People'', it appears, is far less stringent than for an article, and just about anybody can insert anybody, since in most instances no verifiable links or references are appended to the entries. In Fr. Chico’s instance, an article that I had created of him had indeed passed the notability test and was in Wikipedia for several years until, a COI issue involving an article created on me by another entity – further compounded by one administrator/editor’s erroneous assumptions – triggered its deletion. {Note: There was a link to Fr. Chico Monteiro on my website, providing complete access to all articles about Fr. Chico and his case, all of which had appeared in newspapers and magazines. Of these articles, a mere two were by my pen). |
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The ''State of India vs. Fr. Chico Monteiro'' case was one of historical significance, in which the Geneva Convention itself was put to the test and on trial. Portugal found it worthy enough to appoint Queen Elizabeth’s counsel to represent Fr. Chico. TIME magazine also found the circumstances of the case notable enough to report it. Wikipedia editors/administrators are entitled to see things differently and that’s their prerogative. That's to be understood and accepted. |
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Thanks again for responding.--[[User:Dommartin99|Dommartin99]] ([[User talk:Dommartin99|talk]]) 22:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:I'm sorry, I don't think I follow your point. All I'm saying is, I started by removing a redlink from the See also section in the [[Fourth Geneva Convention]] article (because See also sections are [[WP:SEEALSO|not supposed to contain redlinks]]). Out of curiosity, I then looked at the redlink in question and saw that it had been deleted by consensus at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fr. Chico Monteiro|an AfD]]. I then looked at the [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Fr._Chico_Monteiro|links]] for the article and saw that it was linked from the [[List of people from Goa]]. I then removed it from that list, as having it there did not aid readers in navigating to an article. |
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:I did not take part in the AfD, and I have no opinion on the notability of the person in question. If the article was recreated, I would still have no opinion on the notability of the person, and would again not take part in any potential AfD. In general, I have no interest in deletion discussions unless it's an article I have been involved in editing. I just like to do minor cleanup work, and removing redlinks from a See also section fits that bill. |
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:If you disagree with the outcome of the AfD, coming to me will be of no help. I am not an admin, and would have no power to reverse the decision of the AfD. What you would need to do is go to [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] and make your case there. If you have any more questions or need assistance (either with this or with anything in the future), feel free to ask, but please be aware that I have no opinion on the notability of the person himself, nor of whether there should or shouldn't be an article about him. Thanks, [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 14:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Need your help == |
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Hi, Can you please help me improve this article, currently im new to wiki and just studying how write articles here. Can you comment |
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the things to be done on the articles for improvement. How many external links are allowed on wiki. Thanks. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.94.207.158|119.94.207.158]] ([[User talk:119.94.207.158|talk]]) 10:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Thanks! == |
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Hi, I appreciate your note on my talk page. I've been a Wikieditor for years. Not having an account is intentional: if my arguments and positions stand on their own or not should not be influenced by having an account or not. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. |
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If you have a chance, please review some of my most recent posts to other users' talk pages and the Collect fiasco and let me know if you think anything I've said is out of line. Thanks again for your offer of help...I may take you up on it! [[Special:Contributions/207.237.33.36|207.237.33.36]] ([[User talk:207.237.33.36|talk]]) 04:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Unfortunately I tend to steer clear of RFCs, ANI and the like, especially ones of the size of the Collect RfC and associated pages. I actually rarely even take part in AfDs. This does mean that I don't always keep abreast of current events but on the plus side it means that I can carry out 10,000+ mostly-minor edits without attracting too much drama (indeed, I'd imagine I'm one of the least-known editors with over 10,000 edits), much like an IP address (especially a dynamic IP address) would. Given this, I do have an empathy for IP editors, and agree with you entirely that people sometimes look down upon IP editors, or devalue their opinions. |
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:I am reminded of my time in 2008 where I spent a month or so in the United States, and didn't want to log into my account due to using mostly-public computers. Most of the IPs I used were dynamic, and I often found myself occasionally reverted when making edits that would have been accepted quite readily had I been logged in. I was lucky enough to not be reverted as a vandal, however. :) |
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:But yes. If you do ever need any account-only assistance as I offered on your talk page, feel free to ask me here. I'm [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/index.php?name=Dreaded+Walrus&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia nowhere as active as I once was] however, so it might take a while for me to respond sometimes. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 06:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Hi Dreaded! == |
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I'm having some problems with a particularly vicious editor on my talk page...he's cursing and vandalizing and 3rr-ing left and right, and I can't seem to get his to behave civilly. Please see the comments by Daedalus969 on my talk page for an example. Any advice on where to go or what to do would be appreciated. [[Special:Contributions/207.237.33.36|207.237.33.36]] ([[User talk:207.237.33.36|talk]]) 01:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hi 207. I haven't looked too deeply into the issue (you've made quite a lot of contributions lately), but Daedalus seems to be quite an established editor, and, not counting the recent "leave me the fuck alone", he has received a [[WP:Barnstar|Barnstar]] in the past for niceness (as have I). So, without wanting to take sides (or having looked into the issue enough to have the knowledge ''to'' take a side, there are two main options here. The first is by far the most simple, and that is simply to stay out of each others' ways. There are millions of articles and pages on Wikipedia. If you avoid editing the same pages then it will help massively. The second option is having a look at the [[WP:DR|dispute resolution process]]. I'd recommend having a look through that if avoiding the other editor is not an option. In general, I tend not to take sides in discussions I'm uninvolved in (this kind of threads back in with my other point about not taking part in [[WP:ANI|ANI]], [[WP:RFC|RFC]] and the like), but I'm sure if you look at [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] it should help with how to proceed. :) [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 01:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Re: Socks == |
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Actually, I was referring to his [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Collect&diff=prev&oldid=285401740 blatant] socking.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Dæ</font>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 07:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Ah, thanks for pointing that out. As I have said in the threads above, I hadn't been following the user's actions, as I tend to keep out of most drama. I responded [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:207.237.33.36&diff=285406613&oldid=285405871 in the original thread], to keep discussion all in one place. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 08:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Alright, thanks, and I do believe I'm off to bed.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Dæ</font>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 08:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Alright guy. I must admit I'm a little disappointed after I put faith in him to act mature in the sections above. Hopefully when he comes back from the block a month from he'll have cooled down a little and follow the advice in the section directly above this one and just stay away from you if at all possible. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 08:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Aaand, I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=286109918#Ban_of_User:207.237.33.36.E2.80.8E doubt it]. A shame that he had to be an idiot. Glad you've got a year's break from him, to be honest. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 21:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Or maybe not, check out the new [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/207.237.33.36 sockpuppet report].— '''[[User:Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Dæ</font>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 21:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::Ugh... If I wasn't such a believer in transparency, I would have removed all of my correspondence with this user, to be honest. Gives IP editors a bad name. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 21:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC) |
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