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August 2013[edit]

You are suspected of sock puppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Europefan. Thank you. Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:22, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Information icon Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at List of German inventions and discoveries. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Dennis Bratland (talk) 14:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Dreyse needle gun. Your edits have been reverted or removed.

Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. Dennis Bratland (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Dennis you are a british stalker, who disklike Germany and German inventions. All my edits are correct and there is no doubt, that these edits are wrong. So before you revert you should discuss it on the discussing page of the article and not to revert it without discussing. (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Stop icon This is your last warning. The next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Meat extract, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Dennis Bratland (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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  • Please stop it with the stalker language, particularly in edit summaries, they are impermissible personal attacks. When there is a problem, it is totally appropriate for an editor to follow it until its resolved. That is not stalking. I'm not sure whether you will be blocked for your other activity, but if you continue with the stalker comments, you will be blocked. Monty845 15:24, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Sure it is stalking, when Dennis Bratland reverts the DISCUSSION Page. So there could be no discussion over edits, when he reverts the article discussion pages. Dennis makes stalking and vandalism. He is the typical british guy who dislike German inventions. (talk) 15:29, 5 August 2013 (UTC) My edits are all correct and it is unbelievable how much Dennis Bratland dislikes Germany. (talk) 15:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Using sock puppets on talk pages is as bad as anywhere. You are fooling others into thinking your edits have the support of multiple editors. See WP:ILLEGIT. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
With these words you only try to get support by multiple editors. Stop your vandalism and reverts of correct edits. And why are you not discussing my edits ? The reason is, you know exactly that my edits are correct and so you work with tricks and revert also the discussion pages of articles. (talk) 15:37, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Look, there are several issues here, they need to be sorted out, calling Dennis Bratland a stalker or vandal is not going to help resolve anything. There is the sock puppetry issue, and then there is the question of the appropriateness of the underlying edits. But as long as you keep on with the stalking and vandal language, we aren't going to get to those issues. Monty845 15:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I write here (!) now under an IP and not under an account !!! I use just today or yesterday NO account. AND since when is the wirting under an IP not allowed ??? And last but not least the edits of my are correct ! You should have a look on my edits ! (talk) 15:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

While its true that contributions from IP editors are generally allowed, when an account is blocked, we generally view that as a prohibition on the person who was controlling that account from editing. Back 2 months ago, a large number of accounts tied to you were blocked for being WP:Socks, multiple accounts used by one editor. If you didn't know it was wrong to sock, it might have been possible to have one account unblocked to allow you to continue to edit, but after you are blocked multiple times for socking and block evasion, it becomes a lot more difficult to claim ignorance. Frankly, many admins would have already blocked you on that ground alone, and another may still do so. The only reason I have not personally, is that the underlying edits don't seem to be bad. But once sanctions have been placed on one IP or one Account, using fresh accounts or IPs is still evasion, whether we classify it as socking, or block evasion. If you want to continue contributing, we need to resolve the socking issue. Monty845 16:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

So you should close the investigations over Europefan so fast you can.

And i still write only in the future under IPs. I'm not interested in getting in admin and do only writing articles and making edits on German, Swiss and Austrian topics. And you have on English Wikipeda only a really small part of writers for German, Swiss and Austrian topics. Over each American tv wheator man you have an article, because you have so many english speaking writers. But there are only a few writers with German, Swiss or Austrian background, who fill the leak on German topics.

So i don't know, why you american/british guys hurt the English Wikipedia, when you attack the edits from writers, who do good work, make correct edits and do not wirte bullshit on English Wikipedia. In my opinion that's really stupid to revert correct edits and to delete relevant articles from Germany. (talk) 16:11, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Mit anderen Worten "ihr schießt Euch ins eigene Knie", wenn ihr gute Autoren aus nichtenglischsprachigen Ländern derart verärgert und ihnen die Schreibarbeit erschwert. Was soll das ? Zu jedem x-beliebigen amerikanischen/britischen Wetterheini habt ihr einen Artikel auf der englischen Wikipedia. Aber sobald es um Artikel zur Schweiz; Österreich oder Deutschland auf der englischen Wikipedia geht, klaffen richtige Löcher in der Englischen Wikipedia. Hinzukommt dass Eure Englische Wikipedia eine derart angloamerikanische Schlagseite hat, dass Ihr Briten/Amerikaner das gar nicht mehr merkt.

Ich jedenfalls schreibe hier nur noch unter IPs, damit ich hier meine Ruhe habe. Und wenn das nicht erlaubt ist, ist das schon ein starkes Stück auf der englischen Wikipedia. (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

You should consider that if you simply followed the basic rules, no sock puppets, no edit warring and no personal attacks, you could get other editors to agree with most of your changes. If you were to become a member in good standing of the community, you could even get sanctions against me, if your complaints about me were valid. The core problem is that you refuse to accept that you don't get your way 100% of the time. Wikipedia is collaborative, and that means none of us gets everything we want. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
This IP address has been blocked from editing. Your attitude amounts to "I don't care about Wikipedia's policies: I will do what I like, including sockpuppetry and block evasion." However, in a collaborative project it is necessary to have agreed standards, rather than allow everyone to run things the way they personally choose, resulting in chaos. Your open declarations that you intend to defy Wikipedia policies are unacceptable. If you wish to edit, restrict yourself to one account, and request an unblock of that account, rather than ignoring and evading blocks. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Ich würde vorschlagen erst Mal auf der Deutschen Wikipedia eine Zeitlang so zu arbeiten die sich aus den Problematiken heraushalten die zu den Block von EuropeFan geführt haben. Und dann - erst dann - mit der Edithistory dort die Aufhebung der Sperre hier beantragen. In der Zwischenzeit keine weiteren Sockenpuppen hier verwenden. Viele deine Beiträge sind gut und es wäre schade wegen eines leicht vermeidbaren Problembereichs nicht mehr editieren zu können. Agathoclea (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)