- Please do not remove others' debate comments from TAlk:Marco Materazzi.Blnguyen | rant-line 04:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
To clarify, discussion, or "Talk", pages of an article are specifically for discussing improvements to the article. It is not a forum for discussing whether Materazzi is a racist. Do not delete comments from the discussion page that are directly relevant to improving the article. —Centrx→talk • 04:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- You should probably discuss what about the headbutt incident should be included in MAterazzi's bio.Blnguyen | rant-line 04:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to User:Centrx, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. °≈§→ Robomæyhem: T/←§≈° 04:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I have looked through all five of Panairjdde's edits to Talk:Marco Materazzi. None of them deleted any comments. If you object to his edits to the article itself, you can open a discussion section about it on the Talk page. Such a discussion states something like "What is your reason for removing that section on that goal? I think it should remain because X, Y, Z." It does not work to just say "Materazzi's goal that time was great. It really shows what a skilled player he is." Refer directly to what you think was wrong with the edit or what you think is wrong with the article. Also, keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia article. It is not to be a catalogue of all sorts of plays he has made, or of all the conflicts between him and other players. —Centrx→talk • 05:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The discussion page does not itself have to be of the quality of an encyclopedia, but it does have to be about the article; it has to be about making an encyclopedia. This talk page was wildly deviating from that purpose. The comments I deleted originally were not about the article. After that, I generally reverted any edit by someone who was also doing vandalistic things, such as blanking and personal attacks, rather than sort through which comments were valid and which were hostile when both were from users whose purpose was evidently destructive.
While the encyclopedia is put on other media where length is an issue, that is not the reason for restricting what goes in an article. This is a general-purpose article. Information that might be interesting to fans should not clutter or push out information that is more useful to most readers. While select examples might be useful for giving an impression of the player, they must be select. I don't really know the history of what has been added to and deleted from this article or who did the adding and deletion, but for example, the "comic goal" item was very likely not relevant to the article.
For controversial changes, it can be helpful to propose a paragraph to be added on the Talk page, where people can give their opinions of what is wrong with it or what should be changed. —Centrx→talk • 06:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Certainly, some Talk pages have unrelated comments and questions, and some editors do a little more than what is necessary for creating an encyclopedia, but the purpose of the Talk page is still to develop the article. Occasional comments from article editors and unrelated questions are not a problem and sometimes no one bothers to discourage or remove them. But that is a far cry from having pages and pages of unrelated comments by a bunch of people who apparently just showed up for that purpose, some of whom were hostile, some of whom apparently vandalized the article itself. This is not merely my point of view; this is about the essential purpose of Wikipedia. It is the point of view of the vast majority of editors, it is the point of the view of administrators and those who run the servers. It is part of Wikipedia policy. See WP:ENC, for a short description, mainly "Wikipedia is not a message board." —Centrx→talk • 07:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Please please get yourself a user name. I you need some advice, I am quite happy to help you. Don't worry about threats of being blocked, etc. If you follow "the rules", you can still achieve what you want. Wallie 10:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)