User talk:2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4

September 2022

Hello, I'm Mako001. I noticed that you made an edit to a biography of a living person, Judd Hamilton, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. Wikipedia has a strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Judd Hamilton) for a period of 6 months for conflict-of-interest editing. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.   -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 10:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

• You are welcome to request edits on the article's talk page. Also, please stay civil when dealing with other editors. We are all volunteers here, and demanding a response from someone in a matter of minutes is not reasonable. Nor is treating people like they work for you. We work for our readers, not for our donors. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 10:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Also, I note that you have been trying to add this content to the article since 2018, so it's not like you didn't know other editors had a problem with its inclusion. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 10:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

    Mako, I could not have been more civil within my serious disappointment with your personally insulting replies. Thus, I have escalate this personally threatening matter to upper Wikipedia management in providing a copy of the written dialog that transpired. By insultingly blocking me from accessing the site as a conflict of interest makes me even more determined to have you held accountable for your actions. How you can justify arbitrarily demeaning and threatening someones, anyones, professional reputation as you have done with your rejections of the facts is nothing less than astounding to my version of fair play and conscientious behavior. Accordingly this reply will end all further communications with you. 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 12:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

    I'm not Mako. You can see my username, Tamzin, in my signature. I am also not anonymous. My full name is on my userpage. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 13:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

    Give them a copy of this too then.

    I will attempt to explain again what the issues with the addition were.

    1. The sources used were not independent sources. Independent sources are a necessary foundation for any article. Although Wikipedia is not paper, it is also not a dumping ground for any and all information that readers consider important or useful. For the sake of neutrality, Wikipedia cannot rely upon any editor's opinion about what topics are important.

    2. The sources used were primary sources, WP:BLPPRIMARY says: Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies. (Emphasis was not mine) Note that, as no secondary source was provided for the material you backed with a primary source (the patent verification database), it cannot be included. Further, as was raised by another editor, the patent and company is not connected to you (the Judd Hamilton singer, musician, etc.) (as opposed to another Judd Hamilton) by any reliable, secondary, independent source. If this connection can't be verified, it cannot be added, regardless of whether it is true or not.

    3. The use of the primary source (the patent record) violated Wikipedia:No original research, as you said that For the past 20-years Hamilton's creative efforts turned to inventing a unique ceramic cement radiation shielding material called X-Rok. But, the only thing that the source could actually verify was: "Someone called Judd Hamilton has a patent for a ceramic cement radiation shielding material which they call 'X-Rok'". Even merely adding it to this article, as was mentioned earlier, contravenes the core Wikipedia policy of Verifiability.

    4. As stated earlier, there is no connection made in reliable, independent, secondary sources that the Judd Hamilton (singer, musician, film director) and Judd Hamilton (inventor and business executive) are the same person. If you can provide evidence of this specific connection having been made by a reliable, independent, published, secondary source, then this will help a lot.

    5. If Wikipedia does not mention what you are doing since reliable, independent, secondary sources last reported on you, that is not something that can be fixed. I personally know an article subject whose Wikipedia record cuts off at a career-ending injury over 25 years ago, but who has since made a successful career in other areas, which has no mention at all in reliable, indpendent, secondary sources.

    6. Wikipedia has a guideline on the content which can go in lead sections, the content you added is not suitable for the lead, per this guideline, since it isn't mentioned in the body, I know I removed it from there, but I didn't have any issues with the place it was added, but I did have issues with what it was.

    7. You have a conflict of interest, as you are aware of. (Since you now cannot directly edit the article, this is moot).

    8. Whilst I did not block you, had I been an admin, and had I not already been involved, I would have done the same thing, given you page block for WP:COI editing. So I don't mind if you wish to berate me for that.

    Good luck with escalating this. When you get told much the same as what I've said above, I promise I won't say "I told you so". Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:48, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. BilletsMauves^€500 16:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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