User talk:31.54.34.170
I have reverted your insertion of {{huh}} in the Hernando de Escalenta Fonteneda article because we do not know where the ship was sailing from, the name of the ship, the year it wrecked, or where it wrecked (other than in Florida). Essentially all ships returning to Spain from the Caribbean or New Spain used the Old Bahama Channel or the Straits of Florida to catch the Gulf Stream. There is no known source for any information on the voyage, and we can't speculate in Wikipedia. - Donald Albury 15:16, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough. But really my 'huh' was in regard to where Hernando was from. The article says he was Spanish, and that he was sailing to a location in Spain... but shipwrecked in Florida. Obviously this is a major 'huh'! It needs to be clarified that he was a Spanish who was born and/or brought up in the New World. At no point is this mentioned. 31.54.34.170 (talk) 15:43, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- And that is something else we do not know. We have two memoirs about the people he lived amongst for 17 years, which he wrote some time after he was returned to Spanish society, and we have a report that he was working as a translator in 1566. We don't know anything else, including where he was born, or when he was born, or when he was shipwrecked, or when or where he died. If there are any records that would throw some light on those questions, they have not yet been found. He wrote very little about himself in the memoirs, only that he was on a ship that wrecked, that there were other survivors who were early on killed by their captors, and that he then spent 17 years as a captive of various peoples in Florida. We can't write something without a reliable source. He is notable only as the author of a couple of memoirs that give us a rare glimpse of the indigenous peoples of Florida. - Donald Albury 16:04, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- OK, I'm trying to get a copy of book chapter that covers Fonteneda. I see that a translation of his memoir does appear to have details about his life, but I want to see what a historian has to say about it. - Donald Albury 17:18, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- And that is something else we do not know. We have two memoirs about the people he lived amongst for 17 years, which he wrote some time after he was returned to Spanish society, and we have a report that he was working as a translator in 1566. We don't know anything else, including where he was born, or when he was born, or when he was shipwrecked, or when or where he died. If there are any records that would throw some light on those questions, they have not yet been found. He wrote very little about himself in the memoirs, only that he was on a ship that wrecked, that there were other survivors who were early on killed by their captors, and that he then spent 17 years as a captive of various peoples in Florida. We can't write something without a reliable source. He is notable only as the author of a couple of memoirs that give us a rare glimpse of the indigenous peoples of Florida. - Donald Albury 16:04, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough. But really my 'huh' was in regard to where Hernando was from. The article says he was Spanish, and that he was sailing to a location in Spain... but shipwrecked in Florida. Obviously this is a major 'huh'! It needs to be clarified that he was a Spanish who was born and/or brought up in the New World. At no point is this mentioned. 31.54.34.170 (talk) 15:43, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
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