User talk:505thTrooper

April 2014

Hello, I'm Charlesdrakew. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Incident at Pristina airport, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Charles (talk) 22:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

May 2014

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Welcome to Wikipedia, 505thTrooper! Thank you for your contributions. I am VQuakr and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Incident at Pristina airport. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. VQuakr (talk) 14:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at Incident at Pristina airport, you may be blocked from editing. VQuakr (talk) 19:35, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by inserting unpublished information or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at Incident at Pristina airport. VQuakr (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently Wikipedia and Users of Wikipedia are not interested in Truth but Propaganda. This article about the Incident at Pristina Airport and a lot of the rest of the Information about NATO's mission in Kosovo published on various pages is 50% to 100% InAccurate. I have been trying to provide details from my own Operations Orders and Radio Communications....From the point of view of someone who was there and I keep getting reversed by People who have NO Clue as to what happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 505thTrooper (talk • contribs)

One thing to bear in mind is that WP:Verifiability is a core policy of Wikipedia. Articles should be based on published reliable sources. Your operations orders and radio communications are not published and cannot be verified. Further, how do we know that you were really there? There's no way to verify your credibility. (I'm not saying you weren't; I'm saying we don't have any way to know that you were.) Finally, if you were there, writing your own perspective on the events gets closed to the realm of original research, which is not allowed. —C.Fred (talk) 16:41, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why I am trying to persuade whoever put the original article up there to do some research and find the truth. I would not consider a General's autobiography or recollection anything other than propaganda and I don't know who James Blunt is - but I do know that in Klokot, Zitinje, Trpeza, Ballance, and the other villages we were in I never had a visit from them and I know every member of our Infantry Company who was on the Blackhawks that night and there were Zero French or British Paratroopers with us. So there is an article written- about 50% of it is dead wrong- but because some bloviating old general spouted off to the BBC and they reported it that is "credible?" I don't think so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.123.223.157 (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please re-read the referenced source articles: Tom Peck of the U.K. Independent wrote the article about James Blunt saving us from WWIII. In the article James Blunt stated they had British Para forces with them in the Armored Column heading into Pristina. LTG Mike Jackson's autobiography stated that when Clark ordered the Helicopters to Pristina Airfield, the Americans were the only units with Available Helicopters and so Jackson ordered the American Brigade to send the helos, which they did-until the higher command used the excuse of weather. The American helicopter mission with 82nd Paratroopers and Apache Gunsships was that force sent north to Pristina from Skopje and then later recalled during the Clark-Jackson fight. So, everything I stated IS IN the original materials, which you can see if you read all the referenced materials at the same time. Which is what I have been saying this whole time....BECAUSE I WAS ON THE HELICOPTER (no. 1) and I sat through the Warning Order and Operations Orders. Thank you.

You are failing to understand that British paras were standing by to fly to the airfield before the Russians got there. The attempt to send in US helicopters was after the Russians had occupied it and after Jackson had been there and established a relationship with the Russian commander.--Charles (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Charles I do not think that is accurate. The mission to send in American Paratroopers was called down to us WHILE the Russians were moving to the airfield. We had a TV in the Air Hanger in Skopje and watched the Russian vehicles moving through Belgrade earlier in the day (on their way to Pristina). Couple questions on the authenticity of that. Where exactly were the British Para's staged? I don't remember them being in Skopje and the British troops who were with us, along with the French Foreign Legionnaires and the forces from the United Arab Emirates at Tirana were at the other end of the airstrip working Humanitarian relief efforts-basically food, water, and medicine to the Albanian refugee camps. The troops from Task Force 2/505 where the closest to Pristina, that I am aware of, and also the most "Crack" Unit in the theatre-along with 10th Special Forces group and what we believed to be either Delta Force or CIA who were seen sporadically popping up from time to time in sanitized uniforms flying in black CH-53 Pavlov Helos, along with intermittent citings of the SAS. That leaves another question. I have no idea who these Norwegian Special Forces were because I did not see them or even hear of them, but I do remember seeing some Australian troops in the theatre, who had all the toys and appearance of being SASish, (possibly ANZAC SAS??) but don't know if they were "officially" known to be there or if they were covert. In terms of this article, as it stands it is still not accurate-not denying what happened with the incident, but part of the story not being included is still the fact that someone, Either Wesley Clark, or 5th Corp Commander (Hendrix), or someone in Washington initiated an order for our Unit plus 6 Apache Gunships to go in to remove by force the Russians from the air within hours of them arriving at the airport and we all acknowledge that it was Mike Jackson who intervened and call us off, after we were wheels up and loaded for bear heading for Pristina. Had our mission actually gone through-that would have been the WWIII incident, much more so than an Armored Column at the Pristina Airfield starting something - namely because we would have been there hours before any NATO troops headed to Pristina. When our company was air assualted and landed on highway M25-3 outside Urosevac and establishing Bondsteel - we flew over the armoured columns of British vehicles and the American Abrams tanks from 1st Armored as they were making there way north on highway M2. The British Unit that I actually hung out with and met several times were all from the Irish Guards.

British paras were near Skopje and spent the hot afternoon of June 11 sitting behind Chinooks in a wheat field. This was while the Russians were heading for Pristina. I remember the BBC reporting this at the time and there is a photo of them in Jackson's book.--Charles (talk) 21:49, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]