User talk:70.161.253.128

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Shannon James[edit]

Alright here's the deal. It can be sourced and cited by a reputable paper. There is no publically available information from the national office that says that she is no longer a member. So right for all I know you're a member of ZTA that doesn't like the fact that a member posed for Playboy. However even if she was no longer claimed by ZTA she was still a part of the organization and it can be sourced. If the National office wants to get ahold of Wikipedia to have this information removed please do so but until that is the case there's no reason I can see to remove her besides the fact that some people personally don't like it. --ImmortalGoddezz 02:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


The reason this is not public is because why would you publish something saying we removed a girl's membership? I am working to get information from our national office...do you have an email or some other means of communicating to get this to you? please let me know. This is not "some people not liking it" it is a fact in the Roster of the Chapter and Alumni Members which she is not included...


I would also like to note that while she was a member of the organization she is NOT an alumni which is what I as well as others in the organization nationally would like removed. She did not complete 4 years in the organization and was removed from the organization so she is not alumni and should not be listed in the notable alumni section of the Zeta Tau Alpha prortion of the Wiki entry...plaese if you list alumni refer to the list which is on our nationa website...

The problem is, the national website is (odd but true) not a reliable source for people's status in fraternities and sororities. Independent sources, e.g. news articles, trump those vastly, and there's a newspaper story saying she was, at the time of her photo shoot, in ZTA. —C.Fred (talk) 17:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Shannon James. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. —C.Fred (talk) 17:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


What exactly needs to be done and what documentation needs to be sent or "shown" to prove this is false information? I am working with a Chapter Advisor/National officer to get the proper information to get this removed...but I just need to know what will be "official" documentation to prove this...since the information which is referenced is from a quote in a newspaper which could or could not be true...I mean couldn't anyone say they are a member of this or has done something even if it is not true? Could someone please let me know what is exactly needed the organization as a whole would appriciate it thanks! happy holidays!


I am in need of an email/ phone number of someone who can deal with this issue...I have national officers asking for the information if anyone knows who to contact to get rid of incorrect information other than the email address which Wiki offers please let me know..thanks!

Please read over the wiki policy on Original Research, if nationals were to send me an email or you an email or whoever an email it would not be a published source and therefore would not be acceptable to use in wikipedia to say that she's been removed from their membership. The only way that sourced and cited information should be removed is by nationals requesting that wikipedia remove the information. If that's the route that you're going to take then good luck, because the information is sourced so it can be proved that she was at one point a member of the organization even if nationals no longer recognizes her. Please read over Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject), the only way to get in contact with wikipedia is an email address. --ImmortalGoddezz 02:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Further, I'm not sure what a letter would accomplish, since currently, her article reads that she was a ZTA at the time of her posing. While that doesn't explicitly state that she was drummed out after posing, it does phrase it such that it implies she's not currently in the organization. Unless the reporter has issued a retraction stating that his source was invalid, I see that staying in her article. Getting her removed from the list at the ZTA article is another matter. (I'm thinking of the Bob Dylan/Sigma Alpha Mu issue, where he's been removed from their list because he depledged.)
Proving the negative is always difficult. However, proving that she was expelled is doable. The best thing to do is to start with the Article problem email address contacts. —C.Fred (talk) 04:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for your input. I am just trying to have her name removed from the Members section of the Zeta Tau Alpha entry. I could care less about the article stating she was a member at the time, however the portion of the chapter page which lists her as a member is the page in question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.255.36 (talk) 04:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, since Shannon James is not her official legal name but a stage name does this pose a problem in our nationals have the documentation using her real name in records rather than the stage name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.255.36 (talk) 04:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)