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Good Catch at Opposition to the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)[edit]

You were right to remove the ludicrous conspiracy theory that Zbigniew Brzezinski (national security advisor under President Jimmy Carter) secretly armed the Afghan mujahedeen prior to 1979 in an elaborate plot to "trap" the Soviets. Needless to say, declassified documents say the exact opposite. Brzezinski has strongly denied anything of the kind (Interview, The Real News, January 15, 2010), while Cyrus Vance's close aide Marshall Shulman "insists that the State Department worked hard to dissuade the Soviets from invading and would never have undertaken a program to encourage it" (The Nation, November 12, 2001). The Soviets murdered Afghan president Amin precisely to put an end to US attempts to seek reconciliation with his government (Michael Rubin, "Who is Responsible for the Taliban?", Middle East Review of International Affairs, March 2002)--even alleging that Amin was a CIA agent! Ascribing the fabricated quotes to a little-known Polish-American hawk and a foreign-language newspaper was clever, but it was only a matter of time before Brzezinski responded to the libel. The source cited (9/11 truther blog "Global Research") was not reliable, and the text pure Synthesis. If the conspiracy myth was even remotely true, Brzezinski would have been put on trial like Oliver North. Regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:58, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeh I thought the section called "Imposing decades of war on Afghanistan" was little bit far fetched in blaming the violence on America as opposed to its most violent and directly involved actors like the Soviet, Afghan Communist, Taliban, Pakistan, Mujahideen, Hezb-i Islami etc. (talk) 09:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, all US aid to the rebels was sent through the Pakistani ISI--no Americans trained or had direct contact with the mujahedeen. The skittish CIA had only 10 operatives in the region and was deeply reluctant to get involved at all! If there was such a conspiracy as the 9/11 truthers at Global Research allege, the Pakistanis would have been in on it--yet why would they accept Soviet troops on their borders? This fantasy reminds me of the far-left propagandists who claim that President George H. W. Bush secretly ordered Kuwait to "slant-drill" into Iraqi oil fields in a deliberate attempt to "trap" Saddam. But why would the Kuwaitis agree to be invaded, just to satisfy the US? Why would they trust the US Congress to authorize the use of force if Iraq failed to withdraw? Occam's Razor tells us that these fables are extraordinarily improbable.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:39, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

As well as this considering how terrible the Soviets were in Afghanistan(not to forget the communist government) its not like it was a bad thing aiding the Mujahideen in inducing the Soviets to withdraw. Im sure the Afghan people were very supportive of efforts to get rid off Soviets. (talk) 23:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

That's absolutely true. There was no popular support for communism in Afghanistan, or anywhere else in the world. The rebellion was not "created" by foreign powers, but largely an indigenous reaction to communist atheism and brutality. And I think it's fair to say (as Brzezinski himself argues) that the mujahedeen probably would have won anyway.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:47, 8 March 2013 (UTC)