User talk:Acsieling
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Hello, Acsieling, and welcome to Wikipedia! I have noticed that you are fairly new! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. I also see that some of your recent edits, such as the ones to the page User:Acsieling, show an interest in the use of images and/or photos on Wikipedia.
Did you know that ...
- ...Wikipedia has a very stringent image use policy?
- ...most images from Flickr, online news websites, and other web sources are copyrighted?
- ...Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously?
- ...freely-licensed images should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, a central location for images where they can be used on all Wikipedia projects?
- ...we recommend that new users use our "files for upload" process – at least until you get the hang of things?
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- Hi Acsieling. Please do not continuing adding File:Southwest Minnesota State Mustangs logo.svg to your userpage. This file is licensed as non-free content, which means that it may only be used in accordanace with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. This policy is quite strict and it only permits non-free files to be used in the article namespace and only in cases where the intended use satisfies all ten non-free content use criteria listed here. This means that files such as this cannot be used on your user page per non-free content use criterion #9 and Wikipedia's user page guidelines. If you were not aware of this the two times you re-added the file after it was removed, then that is OK; however, please do not continue to re-add the file since it will only continued to be removed and may possibly lead to a Wikipedia administrator stepping in and taking action to make sure you stop.It appears from your userpage that you are the instructor of a course being assisted by WP:Wiki Ed. Your course should have been assigned a Wiki Ed advisor to help you and your students resolve any problems you may be having while editing Wikipedia. I believe Wiki Ed has created some moduli specifically related to using images on Wikipedia that classess such as yours can use for reference purposes. If you are not aware of these, please ask your Wiki Ed advisor and they will help your out.Finally, the same file was also added by some of your students to their user pages, and the file has also been removed by them by the same WP:BOT that removed it from yours. If might be a good idea for you to pass what you now know about non-free students along to your class and explain to your students not to re-add the file to their userpages. The bot removing the file is not going to stop and will keep removing the file no matter how many times it is re-added. The Wikipedia administrator operating the bot, however, will eventually notice what is going on and will almost certainly step in and take action. This could be a warning or it could be a blocking of accounts. Since a student having their account blocked is probably not going to help them when it comes to your class, you really should make sure they understand this and ask them to be very careful when it comes to uploading or using images. It would probably be best for them to ask their Wiki Ed advisor for assistance if they want to use images. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you @Marchjuly for the detailed explanation of the situation at hand. The only thing I'd like to add is that we do have a training module on the Contribution of Images and other media files to Wikipedia that describes the different licenses and what is allowed on Wikipedia. I think this training module in addition to the links shared above will be helpful in understanding the policy and guideline for images and media files. To echo user:Marchjuly, please share this information with the students as it will be incredibly helpful for them, if they intend to add images to their wiki contributions. Lastly, we want to avoid users getting blocked bc of a misunderstanding of policy - @Acsieling if you or the students have any questions or encounter experiences like the removal of contributions that may not be clear, please feel free to reach out and I will gladly assist. Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks so much @Marchjuly and @Brianda (Wiki Ed)! I genuinely thought I was doing something wrong and that was why it kept disappearing. I will look (again) at the modules on adding images. I thought that because it appeared in Wikimedia it was fair use. Thanks for the explanation! We may still have questions @Brianda (Wiki Ed)! Acsieling (talk) 14:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- That's fine and technically you're correct that it most likely wouldn't be considered a fair use violation under US copyright law; however, relevant Wikipedia policy on using such non-free content was intentionally established to be more restrictive than fair use and that was why the file was being removed. Over the years, the Wikipedia community has established lots of policies and guidelines, some of which might seem a bit odd or otherwise different from what you and your students are used to. So, if you (or your students) start seeing edits being repeatedly reverted, it's probably best to seek assistance from your course's Wiki Ed advisor. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks so much @Marchjuly I DEFINITELY appreciate any guidance - this is a whole new world for me and my students!! Acsieling (talk) 04:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- You are welcome. You might also want to let your class know about WP:LOGGEDOUT. Registering for an account is not required and editing while logged out is not prohibited. Accidentally editing while logged out happens all the time and is usually no big deal unless it is done for inappropriate reasons. There is no way to change who made an edit once it has been made since all edits need to be attributed to the accounts that make them per Wikipedia:Copyrights. Moreover, IP addresses (particularly public ones like schools and libraries) are often shared by many users; so there is no technical way to distinguish between who made an edit when multiple users are editing from the same IP address. So, if your keeping track of the progress of your students, then it would be easier to do so if they log in to edit. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- that is ALSO super helpful!! Thanks for the guidance @Marchjuly! My students are learning a LOT from my mistakes so hopefully we'll avoid similar errors in the future! I'm crossing my fingers! Acsieling (talk) 13:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- You are welcome. You might also want to let your class know about WP:LOGGEDOUT. Registering for an account is not required and editing while logged out is not prohibited. Accidentally editing while logged out happens all the time and is usually no big deal unless it is done for inappropriate reasons. There is no way to change who made an edit once it has been made since all edits need to be attributed to the accounts that make them per Wikipedia:Copyrights. Moreover, IP addresses (particularly public ones like schools and libraries) are often shared by many users; so there is no technical way to distinguish between who made an edit when multiple users are editing from the same IP address. So, if your keeping track of the progress of your students, then it would be easier to do so if they log in to edit. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks so much @Marchjuly I DEFINITELY appreciate any guidance - this is a whole new world for me and my students!! Acsieling (talk) 04:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- That's fine and technically you're correct that it most likely wouldn't be considered a fair use violation under US copyright law; however, relevant Wikipedia policy on using such non-free content was intentionally established to be more restrictive than fair use and that was why the file was being removed. Over the years, the Wikipedia community has established lots of policies and guidelines, some of which might seem a bit odd or otherwise different from what you and your students are used to. So, if you (or your students) start seeing edits being repeatedly reverted, it's probably best to seek assistance from your course's Wiki Ed advisor. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks so much @Marchjuly and @Brianda (Wiki Ed)! I genuinely thought I was doing something wrong and that was why it kept disappearing. I will look (again) at the modules on adding images. I thought that because it appeared in Wikimedia it was fair use. Thanks for the explanation! We may still have questions @Brianda (Wiki Ed)! Acsieling (talk) 14:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you @Marchjuly for the detailed explanation of the situation at hand. The only thing I'd like to add is that we do have a training module on the Contribution of Images and other media files to Wikipedia that describes the different licenses and what is allowed on Wikipedia. I think this training module in addition to the links shared above will be helpful in understanding the policy and guideline for images and media files. To echo user:Marchjuly, please share this information with the students as it will be incredibly helpful for them, if they intend to add images to their wiki contributions. Lastly, we want to avoid users getting blocked bc of a misunderstanding of policy - @Acsieling if you or the students have any questions or encounter experiences like the removal of contributions that may not be clear, please feel free to reach out and I will gladly assist. Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
FYI.
[edit]I just posted this on the talk page of the course: [1]. --David Tornheim (talk) 19:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)