User talk:Anameofmyveryown/Sandbox22

I still don't get how to navigate those pages. I don't get anything in the search and do we need all the readings? Is it just me that has problems with this website (when I want something serious rather than self-praising PR)? There must just be one page somewhere that shows the names of all the legislative acts adopted by Parliament?? - _J.Logan`^t: 12:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Be careful what you ask for, you might get it...

For passed legislation on Eur-Lex, Eur-Lex > Simple search > Legislation > Author > European Parliament > Refine > Date and Time span > 2004-07-01 to 2009-06-30 gives 585 hits over 59 pages.
For Eur-Lex stuff that hasn't gone thru the pipe yet (positions, common positions, joint texts), there are similar options under "preparatory acts"
The EP links I gave, if you look at this one and the drop-down boxes, you'll see the drop-down boxes give the COD codes for Parliament positions for 2008, and similarly for 2007, and so on. Similarly for the other links.
But really, you're approaching this bass-ackwards. Instead of looking for a list of EP legislation like the ones above (and they're big lists), why don't you give me the name of two specific EP legislations passed during the period and I'll see what lists they appear on?
If you know anything about the coding structure, please say (e.g. what does 52009BP0331(30) or EP-PE_TC1-COD(2008)0199 or PE 418.009 mean?) 'cos that'll help.

Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 15:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...my head hurts....

Legislation off the top of my head is REACH, WEEE, Software Patent (maybe something else on copyright)., the thing cutting greenhouse emissions... Maybe if we just try to do it this way, think of big things rather than look at official lists. We still need the date it is passed but I'll just try putting "european directive" into google news.- _J.Logan`^t: 15:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What does the European Parliament produce?

According to EurLex, the legal documents it produces includes the following:

Statement of revenue and expenditure
Final adoption
Decision of the European Parliament and of the Council
Regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council
Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council
Resolution of the European Parliament
Rules of procedure of the European Parliament (will come in incredibly handy for the Groups article: here's the 1962 version, for example; [1]. Yay!)
European Parliament legislative resolution

1962! Cool, bit mad. Though all we really need for this article are regulations and directives yes? Just those legislative texts adopted - and only the important ones at that so certainly none of the others?- _J.Logan`^t: 18:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See below. Rgds, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Examples

REACH

Name: Regulation (EC) No 1907/2006 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 18 December 2006 concerning the Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals (REACH), establishing a European Chemicals Agency, amending Directive 1999/45/EC and repealing Council Regulation (EEC) No 793/93 and Commission Regulation (EC) No 1488/94 as well as Council Directive 76/769/EEC and Commission Directives 91/155/EEC, 93/67/EEC, 93/105/EC and 2000/21/EC
What is it?: Regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council
Authors: European Parliament, Council
Procedure number: COD 2003/0256
Commission proposal number: Com 2003/0644 Final
Celex ID (EurLex ID?): 32006R1907
EurLex link: [2]
Other: I don't think it went thru on a first or even second reading: let me crossref EurLex to the EP site and see what I can find

WEEE

Name: Directive 2002/96/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 January 2003 on waste electrical and electronic equipment (WEEE) - Joint declaration of the European Parliament, the Council and the Commission relating to Article 9
What is it?: Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council
Authors: European Parliament, Council
Procedure number: COD (2000) 0158
Commission proposal number: Com 2000/0347 Final
Celex ID (EurLex ID?): 32002L0096
EurLex link: [3]
Other: Fifth Parliament, not Sixth

"That Software Thing"

Name: European Parliament legislative resolution on the Council common position with a view to the adoption of a directive of the European Parliament and of the Council on the patentability of computer-implemented inventions (11979/1/2004 - C6-0058/2005 - 2002/0047(COD))
What is it?: European Parliament legislative resolution
Authors: European Parliament, Committee on Legal Affairs, ROCARD
Procedure number: COD ( 2002 ) 0047
Commission proposal number: ?
Celex ID (EurLex ID?): 52005AP0275
EurLex link: [4]
Other: Proposed directive rejected by Parliament 06/07/2005 on second reading.

Great! They do make this complicated don't they... and WEEE is fifth, wow, my memory is shite. Are you saying we put all that data in though? I was just thinking name, code, date and maybe a line on what it did?- _J.Logan`^t: 18:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Patience young Jedi, I'm trying to puzzle this out...I'n not saying we put in all the details, or even any of them. What I am doing is trying to work out what the EP produces. Once we've done that, we know what subheadings to put in under "Major legislation". Once we've done that, we can slap in anything that looks even vaguely recognizable under those headings, and job done. That way, if another editor comes along and says "Hey! I know an important one that's been left out" then they'll know where to put it. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But... how about no subheadings and we just put them in chronological order?- _J.Logan`^t: 22:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nahhh <grin>. OK, worked it out, as follows:

What does the European Parliament produce? It produces pieces of paper. Although that sounds like an insult, it is of course all it can do, just like any other legislature. Those pieces of paper are called texts. Those texts have a number. That number looks like this "P6_TA(2006)0552" (the text saying that the EP had a vote in response to a Commission proposal about a European Chemicals Agency"), or "P6_TC2-COD(2003)0256" (the position that the EP voted on), or "PE 359.935v02-00" (an EP report on a commission proposal about port services). So we just list the numbers. We accompany the numbers with the procedure number (the single PIN tracking the legislation from Commission thru Council and Parliament) and give a brief description of the Regulation/Directive/Decision etc. Job done.

For example, see the trail for the REACH regulation

Procedure number COD/2003/0256
Commission proposal number COM/2003/0644 final
EP first reading P6_TA(2005)0434
Council common position 07524/8/2006
EP second reading P6_TA(2006)0552
Act: Eur-Lex ID 32006R1907, better known as the "Regulation (EC) No 1907/2006 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 18 December 2006 concerning the Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals (REACH), establishing a European Chemicals Agency, amending Directive 1999/45/EC and repealing Council Regulation (EEC) No 793/93 and Commission Regulation (EC) No 1488/94 as well as Council Directive 76/769/EEC and Commission Directives 91/155/EEC, 93/67/EEC, 93/105/EC and 2000/21/EC", or REACH to you and me

....you know... I think I'll leave this to you. I'll see if I can do something I have a clue about. So glad you're here!- _J.Logan`^t: 17:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does Regulation on roaming charges within the European Union count as major do you think? Certainly a lot of publicity.- _J.Logan`^t: 18:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ahead of you, dude <grin>. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't want to keep talking in edit summaries

Okay, fine the Presidents images didn't really work, better without but was an idea. How about the pie chart for it though? On a similar note though, although dividing by group was good for the others, it seems a bit redundant for the President and perhaps would make it less clear than simplify.

I'm not sure about where some of the data is going with this though. The secretariat for instance, we already have the full bureau and we don't have historical lists for the secretary general - let alone his staff. I'm sure we're missing something big from all this though, something not even the US one has.

I'm actually going to give the members one a shot in a minute, see if it is as hard as I thought it was when I removed the title. It probably is, so how about a break down of the seats per constituency and perhaps the political allocation of them? I'm just going to start with election day stuff and we can fatten out the changes if it works.- _J.Logan`^t: 14:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm OK with the hemicycle: it's a good idea in fact.
As for what this article should be: it's basically a list of names, positions and dates.
As for the secretariat: I'll dig
As for the list of members: no. The list already exists at List of members of the European Parliament 2004–2009. There's no sense in having it there and here simultaneously.

Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 23:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]