User talk:Bikasuishin

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Hi - the {{spa}} tag is purely informational for the closing admin, and nothing else. It doesn't mean "ignore this editor's remark" (unless they're an obvious sockpuppet, of course). BLACKKITE 14:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Bikasuishin (talk) 14:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Bika![edit]

Since I've found you in the recent AfD on Adult-child sex not too opposed to the general idea to strengthen our encyclopedia with reliable, comprehensive, substantial, and essential material also on unpopular topics, and since you obviously have a basic grasp of German, I've been meaning to ask about your support.

A thought I've been harboring lately is putting up an essay within my userspace on the main source for my draft (which is Bleibtreu-Ehrenberg 1985/88) to one day maybe be moved to Wikipedia, WikiBooks, or WikiEssays. I'd once put this up on the German Wikipedia as an article and it held up for half a year, from May 2006 until January 2007, until someone on a personal revenge crusade removed it by means of an AfD (where votes were split 50:50 and of course most wanting to get it deleted did nothing more than point to their severe disgust, although that AfD actually lasted for 2 months before it was closed). This essay of mine was actually so influential that I found literal quotes lifted from it in a nation-wide newspaper endorsing them, that literal quotes were endorsed by a German General Medical Council, and just the same with an official brochure issued by an Austrian government department, I found my very own words in all those cases. Googling for it, I found that a number of people had saved personal backups of the article in various places on the web, and there also were several forums debating its content while linking to my article on Wikipedia.

So, I've been meaning to ask you if you'd be willing to have a look at my German essay after I'll have put it up in my userspace here on the English Wikipedia and tell me whether you think it's a good idea for me to translate it to English and for the time being leaving it as the draft of an English Wikipedia article in my userspace to one day maybe be moved to Wikipedia, WikiBooks, or WikiEssays. The basic idea of this essay of mine is a Wikipedia article on an existing work (Bleibtreu-Ehrenberg 1985/88), comparable to articles such as Civilization and Its Discontents and Dialectic of Enlightenment. --TlatoSMD (talk) 04:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be pleased to read it. I must insist however that my grasp of German is indeed basic, and may not be sufficient to fully appreciate your essay. The only serious academic works I have read in German thus far were in my own area of expertise (mathematics) and not very discursive in nature. Bikasuishin (talk) 12:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your cooperation. The article can now be found here. Please let me know what you think! --TlatoSMD (talk) 19:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
That's very interesting, thank you--although, as I suspected, my linguistic abilities aren't up to par, even with a dictionary open on my lap. I could at least get the gist of your essay, and it certainly makes me hope to see it translated in English, and to read one of the English translations of Dr. Bleibtreu-Ehrenberg's work. My former institution's library carries Tabu Homosexualität but none of the books or periodicals that you list in Veröffentlichungsgeschichte. I'll try to get my hands on the Geraci book.
Concerning the inclusion of this article in the English Wikipedia, I'm sure it would be a great contribution, but one that is bound to be met with the same kind of hostility that you encountered on de:, possibly only more bitter and obnoxious. For that reason, I suggest that you prepare for possible cases for deletion that could be put forward against it (as I'm sure you were going to do anyway). I can think of the following points:
  • Notability. That's probably the first argument that will be presented. It would be useful if you could describe the influence of this particular work of Bleibtreu-Ehrenberg on subsequent research, as well as possible quotes in more mainstream media (incl. maybe those quotes that your de: article prompted?).
  • Original Research. The article is copiously referenced, but I can see editors putting {{fact}} tags all over the place nonetheless. It might be a good idea to put page references to one version of the article for each paragraph. That's something I'm willing to help with when I find the Geraci book.
  • Original Research (reprise). My command of the German language is inadequate to properly appreciate the style of your article, but it seemed to me to deviate in a few places from rigorously factual description of the book's content, and stray into what could pass off as interpretation. I think that's more of a stylistic issue than an actual concern with the content of your article: perhaps the tone could use some wikifying (in order to sound less essay-ish, so to speak).
Is there anything else I could help with?
As an aside, I noticed that you added me to your list of great wikipedians. That's very nice of you, but I really don't think my edit history warrants this; I hope to become an editor worthy of such praise in the distant future. Bikasuishin (talk) 20:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Responding to your concerns, I've now added a section entitled Einfluß und Bedeutung towards the end regarding the work's influence and significance.
It's a very good idea to get your hands on Tabu Homosexualität first to make Der pädophile Impuls intellectually accessible to you, as already the second footnote of Der pädophile Impuls strongly urges that one needs to occupy and familiarize oneself with that particular earlier work by her first where she had had more space available. Another good read to make Der pädophile Impuls accessible would be her 1989 book Angst und Vorurteil - AIDS-Ängste als Gegenstand der Vorurteilsforschung on general prejudice studies, and in particular prejudice studies especially regarding factually or labelled sexual "minorities" and sexual "deviances".
Be forewarned though when tackling Kennedy's English translation of Der pädophile Impuls that was published in Paidika and in Geraci 1997, I find lots of it poorly translated, partly by being too literal, partly by dumbing it down to triviality, also by replacing sophisticated and precise scientific terms with dumbed down everyday slang. For instance, what she refers to as traditional Western Leibfeindlichkeit is most likely not to be translated as "hatred of the body" as Kennedy does, but rather as "(ascetic) repression of sensuality", and what's Pseudo-Pädophilie in German is actually the native German word for "situational AoC offence" or "secondary interest in pre-adolescents" rather than Kennedy's obscure "pseudo-pedophilia". A third example would be his translation of Bleibtreu-Ehrenberg's calling her theory a heuristic hypothesis which Kennedy dumbs down to "topic for debate". Same goes for many other standing expressions and figures of speech, and even includes the grammar Kennedy uses in his translation.
Bika, the reason I've added you to my list is that in all your posts on this controversial topic so far, you've made it to stay completely rational and civil, something that unfortunately so many others entirely failed on from their very first posts on. ;) --TlatoSMD (talk) 04:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Kodomo anime and manga[edit]

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Some Bikabot pages[edit]

Why is Bikabot creating user-related pages which copy-paste content from anime articles? Example, see User:Bikabot/Dragon Ball Z (I actually removed the FU pics and article categories from this one) and User:Bikabot/Cowboy Bebop. Please reply below, Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 06:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It was a way to test it while not touching mainspace at all, before permission was granted to do a trial run. I'll have all of those pages deleted under CSD U1. Sorry for the temporary breach of WP:NFC. Bikasuishin (talk) 11:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
That's fine. Did you make sure to get all the others? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 17:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I checked through the bot's edit history to delete the few pages that I'd missed last week. Thanks for the heads up. Bikasuishin (talk) 19:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot bug[edit]

On Baccano! it removed the demographic from the light novel field, and stuck it in the manga field...which already had one. Doceirias (talk) 03:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the bug report. There was a total of 26 pages affected, and they are now fixed (it seems that User:ChuChu took it upon himself to fix most of them before I looked at the problem, actually). Sorry for the inconvenience! Bikasuishin (talk) 13:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


I am interested in why you want further clarification on his banning. If, like me, you feel that this ban was excessive, you may be interested in his profiling on "" under "Wikipedia Campaign". At this location, he is defamed along with myself, as a pedophile. Daniel Lièvre (talk) 19:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

(Not sure you'll get to read this, but I didn't get a chance to reply earlier.) Yeah, I saw that page a while ago. Hopefully the blocks here are not orchestrated by an attack site like this one. Bikasuishin (talk) 18:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


You may be interested in this proposal to revise the text for articles using non-English sources. --ROGER DAVIES talk 04:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Gaba Kawa[edit]

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Flagged Revs[edit]


I noticed you voted oppose in the flag revs straw pole and would like to ask if you would mind adding User:Promethean/No to your user or talk page to make your position clear to people who visit your page :) - Thanks to Neurolysis for the template   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 06:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


On what basis is this a 'running joke'? Isn't it more accurate to believe claims to be serious unless there's some criticism of them being a joke from a reputable source? This just seems like opinion to me. Why is Sankaku a 'disreputable' website exactly? Just because they post erotic images with many articles does not make their articles any less valid. If these are offensive then what about text-only links to the articles written there? I am also not sure what you meant by link to copyvio, is there something on SC that violates copyrights? Tyciol (talk) 04:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Let me address your questions in order.
  1. Reading what the one-page "announcements" of said "organization" actually say (have you?) makes it pretty obvious that they're jokes, and it's even more obvious if you have any familiarity with the magazine in which they are published.
  2. There are basically two types of posts on SC: "gallery" posts, which are dumps of image link threads from 2ch, full of copyrighted images reproduced without acknowledgement of, let alone permission from, the author or the right-holders; and "news" posts, which are sensationalized spins on various news tidbits selected for prurient content and shock value (with an occasional racial slur to top it all off). It's an online low-brow news rag making money by stealing from hard-working artists. I think "disreputable" is an accurate description in this case.
  3. As I said, the site is chock-full of copyright violations, and the very page you linked to was an example of it. It's all the more so egregious as the magazine's editorial board explicitly asks its readers to refrain from unauthorized online reproduction of its content. Bikasuishin (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Being 1-page does not mean something is a joke. I admit, I don't have a large degree of familiarity with that magazine since it is Japanese, but what specifically about them would indicate that these announcements are false? If you are referring to the fictional stories: allowing publication of fiction does not mean it is advocated in real life. I have to assume you're talking about something else here. It's like, if a murder manga magazine published "please don't go out and kill people or become vigilantes" you would naturally assume this is real and not a joke, so what's the difference here?
As for the gallery posts, I was not calling those newsworthy (and I would not link to a gallery as a reference on Wikipedia, unless it were a gallery of copies of written pages, such as with the flyer/poster type thing in this situation. I am referring more to the articles, which paraphrase actual japanese newspapers and stuff by translating them into laymen's terms for english readers.
I am not sure why you call these "sensationalized spins" (is there evidence that they are spinning or sensationalizing the .jp articles they reference?) nor why there would be a problem with reporting prurient content or shocking stories. A story being shocking or let's say, dealing with obscene matters, does not mean it is not relevant news, nor would it make it a bad reference. Calling it a 'low brow rag' seems like an elitist attempt to mock this magazine which has helped convey stories from many sources in Japan on an ongoing basis. It makes more sense to link to these translations on English wikipedia, as opposed to linking to the Japanese articles which most users here can not read.
The art issue you have brought up does concern me, I don't have information on whether they use it with authorization or not, that is something you can take up with them and possibly discuss on their article if one is made about them or something. The art is a non-issue, because I am talking about it's written content. What do you think of my suggestion of possibly creating an image-free version of their web pages for people to read the articles on? Tyciol (talk) 22:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not saying those ads are "false", just that they're jokes. It's common sense. Do you think this "organization" would advise the readers on their masturbatory habits, or seriously proclaim "Damn lolicon, you should all be ashamed!" in one issue, "We lolicon are humans too" in another and "Lolicon, they stink, they're disgusting, they're a pain" in a third one? That this "reader question" from a girl in fifth grade about her big brother is genuine? Seriously. That they're jokes doesn't mean that there's no intention behind those words, of course (and the LO editorial board certainly doesn't advocate assaulting children or whatnot), but taking them at face value is ludicrous and misses the point.
As for SC being a low-brow rag, let's just check the most recent news items right now:
  • Anal Toilet Paper Dispenser. Patrons of lavatories in the Netherlands have recently been confronted by delightful toilet paper dispensers...
  • Buruma Yokochichi. An extravagantly endowed idol poses sportingly here, displaying herself amply...
  • Asami Shimoda Secret Seiyuu Cosplay. Seiyuu 下田 麻美 / Asami Shimoda (or Asapon), most known for her role as the Futami twins in the Idolmaster franchise, is suspected by 2ch of engaging in some unannounced cosplay...
  • Queen’s Blade Total Yuri Raep Anime. The latest and third episode of hentai anime Queen’s Blade has attracted praise for the quality of its nipples...
May I stop here? Call me an elitist if you like, but I hope that's not the best source you have on news from Japan, at least if you consider editing in this topic area. And yes, in the rare instances where he (SC is mostly a one-man operation) actually reports on newsworthy items, he doesn't refrain from a fair bit of sensationalizing (sometimes by his own admission). I don't patronize that site, but I can remember his coverage of ZUN's comments on Touhou derivative works, for example, which was a complete travesty.
On a last note, copyright is not limited to pictures. Full unauthorized reproduction (and/or translation) of copyrighted textual materials is infringement just as well. Fair use allows for quotations of limited excerpts, not hosting of full translations. Bikasuishin (talk) 15:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Test template in your userspace[edit]

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