User talk:CWO5thGroupVet

September 2007

Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder, as you did to 5th Special Forces Group (United States). For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. I realize what you're doing might be in good faith... but we don't copy/paste text here. Period. Ok? Thanks! Gscshoyru 01:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your concerns and realize that what you are doing is in good faith, but... I think you need to read the statement on the web page cited and see what is written: "Information presented on the USASOC Homepage is considered public information and may be distributed or copied for non-commercial purposes. Use of appropriate byline/photo/image credits is requested." (This request has been submitted.) Also Wikipedia states clearly..."Works produced by civilian and military employees of the United States federal government in the scope of their employment are public domain by statute in the United States (though they may be protected by copyright outside of the U.S.)"

--CWO5thGroupVet 01:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)stephen--CWO5thGroupVet 01:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Look, we don't copy/paste text here. Alright? You can re-write the content, maybe, but in addition to the fact that you're just copy/pasting text, I'm pretty sure that the text has a couple of POV violations, (On an everyday basis, Soldiers of the Group are deployed around the world, living up to their motto – De Oppresso Liber. “To Free the Oppressed.”) and their own homepage really doesn't count as a reliable source (see WP:RS and WP:V). So, besides the copyvio issue, there's a whole other bunch of problems with why we don't copy/paste, ok? If you want to find reliable sources that support some of the content, please feel free to put in the stuff that's verifable, and WP:CITE it. OK? Gscshoyru 02:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

OK? I submit the above statement as a "Reliable" source I served from 87 to 99 and things have not changed much as far as our operations tempo...verify it yourself go to the USASOC command page and look at the magazine that is printed monthly...ok? I just got off the phone with members of the unit and they say the same thing...I think you really are out of your depth on this subject. My last duties was to update the unit history and submit a report to the USA Center of Military History. The statements concerning the mission is all over the internet and can easily be found in the military publications through the FOIA. Get off your high horse dude ok?

Ok? Let's look at your source (see WP:RS "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources. This page is a guideline, not a policy:" ok? guideline not a policy which word do you not understand? Anyway here is the official Army site: http://www.goarmy.com/special_forces/

and the wikipedia site:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Special_Forces --CWO5thGroupVet 03:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)CWO5thGroupVet--CWO5thGroupVet 03:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Keep reading that little box at the top. I don't think this falls under the occasional exception part. And you're not a reliable source either, by the way. However, in WP:V, which is policy, the section on self-published sources refutes this as well. And that still doesn't go beyond the fact that copy/pasting text is really, really bad. If you want to add parts of this to the article, that are verifiable, re-write them in a more encyclopedic tone, and cite them. OK? Gscshoyru 03:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Just because you and I quote "don't think" dosen't give you the right to act like a Wiki-demigod... Well for your information and using your own logic what I wrote needs to be included and you should not remove it.

Ok? Not really you still do not get it do you? Show me with your own referance that what was added is incorrect. You are being a difficult person with some kind of personal agenda. Well so do I, but it is only based on historical information. You are not the reliable source! I think we need to get an arbitratior to settle this. --CWO5thGroupVet 03:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)CWO5thGroupVet--CWO5thGroupVet 03:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with it. Besides the minor POV issues, and the fact that it's a copy/paste... wikipedia is not about what is true, but what is verifable. That's the way it tries to be. So you need to show something is true in order to add it. And as for arbitration -- move this to hte talk page of the article (the conversation) and see what people have to say. Oh, and one more thing, which does in fact apply to me as well --

Ok? Let's look at what is policy: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. (I challenge you to verify and post your PROOF instead of just assuming you KNOW that the information I provided is not verifiable...you have an agenda and it is not useful for the content of this page.)Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed.

Are you saying right out that the officail Army website is not a reliable source? If so that is a political decision and has no place or moral standing in this situation. Besides I qoute "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." So since it is on thier site it is verifiable and in no way does it have to be proven TRUE according to Wikipedia.

--CWO5thGroupVet 12:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)CWO5thGroupVet--CWO5thGroupVet 12:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 5th Special Forces Group (United States). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Gscshoyru 03:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Your involvement in edit-war on 5th Special Forces Group (United States)

I have removed your addition for now since it is highly disputed, as user have some problems regarding several wikiguidelines. I have created a heading in the article's talk page to discuss your addition to gain consensus on what can be added and what not. Do NOT re-add your text but participate in a discussion. Simply re-adding your text will be considered vandalism an reported. I see that you already started discussing here, but I think it would be helpful to do so at the articles talkpage so other editors can voice their opinions also. Please cease this senseless edit warring. Thank you.--Fogeltje 08:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)