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Quintus Pedius Article

Please don't delete the information regarding the aedile and Pedius living in his great uncle's house in Rome facts from the above named article. Pedius did served as an aedile in 54 BC and did win the election. If you want to I can provide the source that states this aedile fact.

According to the ancient library website, one of the link sources in the Pedius article does state that Pedius lived in Julius Caesar's house in Rome, after his death in 44 BC. Quintus Pedius is in fact a great-nephew of Caesar, not nephew and his mother was the first daughter of Marcus Atius Balbus and Caesar's second eldest sister Julia Minor.

The reason I know these facts it is because I had learnt about the Julio-Claudian family in high school and since then I have done research on these people. Please do not delete the above facts from the above named article. All the articles I have written on the Julio-Claudian dynasty, all the information is correct and the facts have been checked from correct sources various times.

Thank you for your understanding, Anriz.

I have looked into the sources for Pedius myself (and I have studied ancient history in university) and have found none for his becoming an aedile (he is not listed as aedile in Broughton’s Magistrates of the Roman Republic). Also, although he was one of Caesar’s heirs, I know of no source mentioning the fact that he inherited the dictator’s house, and no link to the gens Atia either, apart from the fact that he was one of Caesar’s sororum nepotes. The historian Friedrich Münzer has shown that Pedius might have been a nephew of Caesar, not a grand-nephew as the cited passage alleges. Unless you can show me your sources, I will delete the disputed passages.--Calidius (talk) 18:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources associated with Quintus Pedius

As you requested, I will provide you cited sources on the above mentioned on Pedius. The fact he lived in Caesar’s house, is true but I can’t find the source for that.

Pedius did became an aedile in 54 BC. The source that I found the fact is from: Penguin Classics, Caesar - The Conquest of Gaul. The book was translated by S A Hanford and revised with a new introduction by Jane F Gardner. At the back of the book, there is a glossary provided of persons and places that are mentioned in Caesar’s account, on his conquest of Gaul. Mentioned in his glossary is Quintus Pedius. In the glossary, Pedius is stated as a relative of Caesar and states his political career and among these facts, it states he was aedile in 54 BC.

Pedius is in fact a great-nephew of Caesar, not a nephew. According to Suetonius, Julius Caesar, Clause 83, Suetonius mentions of Caesar’s will. Suetonius in this clause speaks who would be Caesar’s heir and who was to have his legacies after his death.

This quoted clause is from Clause 83 of Julius Caesar and states that Pedius is a grandson of Caesar’s sister.

‘In his last will, however, he cancelled the bequest and left three-quarters of his estate, after certain legacies had been deducted, to Gaius Octavius, afterwards Augustus, and one-eighth each to Lucius Pinarius and Quintus Pedius. These were the three grandsons of his sister. At the close of the will he also adopted Gaius Octavius into the Caesar family, but provided for the possibility of a son being subsequently born to himself and appointed several of the assassins as guardians to the boy. ‘

The above clause shows as evidence that Pedius is a great nephew of Caesar, not a nephew. Although what I had mentioned to you earlier about Pedius‘ mother is not written anywhere, the above clause shows indirectly that Julius Caesar’s sister Julia had three daughters. One of those daughters was Pedius’ mother and other two daughters were Augustus’ mother and Pinarius’ mother. However, the only niece of Caesar’s and only child of Julia’s that is mentioned in the ancient Roman sources is Augustus’ mother Atia.

However, from the Ancient Roman sources I have found a reference to the nieces of Julius Caesar. According to the Roman poet Ovid, he states that Augustus’ stepfather the consul and senator Lucius Marcius Philippus (who was married to Augustus’ mother Atia as his second wife) had married one of Atia’s sisters after she died.

Now I have cited the sources for you, I would like you to consider to change those facts in the Quintus Pedius article.

Thank you for your understanding, Anriz, 9 February 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.83.192 (talk) 02:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't seem to read Latin, so I will explain to you that in the Suetonius passage Pedius, Pinarius and Octavius are called sororum nepotes "grandsons of his sisters". Note the plural (wrong in the translation you cited). So Caesar had at least two sisters, only one of them is known to have been married to an Atius. A Penguin translation is no scholarly work, so I will stick with the undisputed authority about Roman magistrates, T. R. S. Broughton, in the question of Pedius’ aedileship.--Calidius (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]