User talk:Carinamc

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Jacob Cohen[edit]

You need to create a page with atitle of something like Jacon Cohen (researcher) rather than what you are doing. Then eventually if that article remains, then the Jaconb Cohen page can become a dismbig page. Have fun.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 04:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

With regard to this "if you care so much" etc, perhaps if you slow down a little and take the time to add a correctly formatted article as I suggested before I read your message, then none of this would happen. Sarcasm though won't get you anywhere. There is no need to create a disambig page at present. If you have any verifiable sources for Jacob Cohen then create an article with a name something like I suggested above adding the source etc and more info about him and then a disambig page can be created. Also to add I am more than happy to help you if you need help creating any article. Have fun. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 04:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, but a I said you would be best creating a new article with a title something like I suggested (or whatever you feel is appropriate). If you would like any help after you have created it just let me know. There are templates that can be used for the references. cheers.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 04:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I posted a reply to you on that talk page, and I look forward to seeing other references you may have found. Cheers History2007 (talk) 08:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, if you are going to research Valtorta and edit her page, I think you should see and read some of her book first. It is hard (and not proper) to comment on a topic and edit a page about a book unless you have read a book. So my suggestion would be to read the book (since it is no longer on the index) then comment on it. Thanks History2007 (talk) 10:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

PS: I forgot to mention this, but because you said you found so few books on Valtorta, I should say that perhaps one of the most detailed analyses of her work (beside her publishers) was done by the scripture scholar Gabriele Allegra who did the analysis while he was in China for 40 years translating the Bible, and someone sent him the Poem of the Man God by chance. His work is not long enough to be called a book, and he died before he could do more, but it is still more analysis than any one else with the level of knowledge of a scipture scholar has done that is readily available. Others who write about Valtorta have nowhere near the knowledge of scipture as Allegra did. And given that he is Venerable, he is considered reliable. So you should perhaps look at that:

Regards History2007 (talk) 09:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think you are approaching it with an open mind anyway, and I would welcome any suggestions you have. I will try to do more editing to merge the two pages. As for the claims some people may make, my reaction is: "people have always made claims" throughout history and perhaps over 50% have not been true. As for Valtorta being a nun, she never was, and she never represented her work as anything except visions. In fact she was really reluctant to have her notes published at all, but being bed ridden and very attached to her Church advisors, she was talked into it. I think various people will probably take her work out of context, but then all works have bene taken out of context throughout history. Just look at the heated debates on the visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich. In any case, if you do find a new book on Valtorta, please let me know. Thanks History2007 (talk) 03:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

PS: I did not know there was a new movement based on Valtorta. Do you have a link? I wonder who they are. If you post your reply here, I will see it, for it is on my watch list and that way we will get a continuous flow and I will remember what we wrote. Thanks History2007 (talk) 03:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The religion is called [The Order of Christ Sophia]. According to both the page and my friend, they use Valtorta's book in addition to the Bible and a fairly recent book called the Tree of Life. I don't know if I would say the religion is 'based' on The Poem, but it's hard to know exactly what they pull from where. In the same interview my friend showed me in which the leader discusses Valtorta, she also says they draw from Emmerich, so it is interesting that you brought her up. The leader was talking about the divinity of Mary in the part I heard. If you go to the OCS site, you might see that I was busy with it on Friday. I'm not sure yet what I think of the religion, actually. Regards. Carinamc (talk) 05:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

In one word: "ouch!". I am VERY uncomfortable with that type of OCS organization that morphs from one thing to another. I hesitate to call those things a cult, but personaly I would run for the hills if I see one of those people talk. It seems like fusion cuisine of religion anyway, but in my opinion, those types of thinsg be they OCS or any of the other things it started from are to be avoided at all costs. Valtorta and her priests always acknowledges the Holy See and had no intention of starting a "may be for profit" non-profit organization. They never took any money. I would not walk away from OCS, or similar organizations, I would run. History2007 (talk) 06:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I have started to add in line references to the Poem of Man God page. Do you have any new references yet? Once I have added the links, I plan to remove the "needs references link". Please let me know if you have new references. Thanks History2007 (talk) 00:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I looked at the work you've started. Thanks for that. I also posted a comment on the discussion page for the Poem's article. I'm excited to read the book that FINALLY came in. It looks like you have been pretty thorough. The book I got was the Roschini one, so I added info. about the publisher. I hope I did it right. Carinamc (talk) 22:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you did that just right. Thanks. Now, I have not been able to find out much about Roschini himslef except that he was an expert in Mariology. Adding a page on him to Wikipedia would be nice if one can find the info. History2007 (talk) 22:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I started to partially merge the Valtorta and Poem pages. There is still much work to be done, but your comments will be appreciated. And again, Thanks for the Roschini page, it clarified a few things for me. History2007 (talk) 03:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)