User talk:Chiu-chan

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Although it is obvious, Oku never confirmed such thing. Check Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material that advances a position. By the way, check WP: Civility before using a word like "dumb".Tintor2 (talk) 00:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Whether it is obvious or not, it is needs a reference that confirms such claim. There are lots of references to other series, film and games in Gantz, but Oku has not confirmed such things.Tintor2 (talk) 00:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if he's confirmed it. I'm sure, in some blog statement, he has. Just ignore it for now. It's pointless to continue to play edit wars with me. The point is, it's common knowledge and a FACT that she looks like Chiaki Kuriyama. It's accepted within the fandom that she is based (VISUALLY) off of Chiaki Kuriyama. And it's pretty certain she is. Does -everything- need to be sourced? I mean, this is wikipedia. Nobody takes it seriously anyways.

I don't want to make an edit war. If person from a blog can say that some character is based on any character, it does not mean it is true. Whether you take wikipedia serious or not, there are rules. Information that has not been proved is more suitable for the Gantz wikia.Tintor2 (talk) 00:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, for starters, I guess there's a fact within a fact. Either way you look at it, her being called 'Kill Bill' by Gantz is enough of a direct reference and enough evidence to serve that it was in fact intended by the creator for her to look and be visually based off Chiaki Kuriyama. Why? Because he's the artist/writer. He AWKNOWLEDGES that she looks like Chiaki Kuriyama. So therefore, when Gantz called her 'Kill Bill', that was basically his own jab at his awknowledgement or intentions of her looking like Chiaki Kuriyama. So whether she is based off of Chiaki Kuriyama or not, she still -LOOKS- like Chiaki Kuriyama, and it is a fact that the creator himself awknowledges. So BAM. There's my source. A fact within a fact.

Because of this chain! She looks like Chiaki Kuriyama, meaning the artist drew her to look like Chiaki Kuriyama. Gantz calls her Kill Bill, meaning that the artist knows she looks like Chiaki Kuriyama, who was in Kill Bill. Same nose, same hair, same lips; her visual base is Chiaki Kuriyama, who has done commentary about the manga. It's a coincidence, and it is a AWKNOWLEDGED BY THE CREATOR HIMSELF fact that the character LOOKS LIKE CHIAKI KURIYAMA. Oh yeah. Who wins? I do.

The fact that Gantz called her Kill Bill only means she looks like the girl from Kill Bill. Kuriyama's comment about the manga was done a lot of time ago prior to the Vampires' first appearance in the series. You are still making a synthesis of various sources that do not confirm the claim that the Vampire is based on the Kill Bill's character. Even though how obvious is such thing, you are not stating the obvious.Tintor2 (talk) 01:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Ehh, well, YOU know that she looks like Chiaki, and was visually based off her. So, you come up with a reason for explaining it, then. If she LOOKS like Chiaki, that has to mean she was visually based off Chiaki, considering the psuedo-realistic style. That's just assumption, though~ So, whether he did or not, until he releases a statement, I guess it's up in the air; same lips, same nose, same hair, so it's pretty obvious, but she could've turned out that way on accident, or anything.

But, yeahhh. I still wiiinnn. Through the fact that; in the manga, she is called Kill Bill. That is a nod at her looking like Chiaki Kuriyama, so therefore, the statement "The character is visually similar to Chiaki Kuriyama, to the point where it is actually noted and referenced in manga" is enough. Or the current one that's there. Either way, I'm fine with it, as long as that nod to Chiaki is there. You do know who she is, correct? Google her if you don't. Then look at a picture of the character. And you'll instantly see.

August 2009

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did to List of Gantz characters, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, stop with the personal attacks. As you have been informed "obvious" does NOT equal verifiable in this sort of situation. You added an unsourced claim. It was challenged. Find a reliable source, or stop adding it. If you continue readding it, you will violate Wikipedia's policies about edit warring and likely find yourself blocked.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on List of Gantz characters. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

You need to help me, then. Find some way or wording it. It's acknowledged by the author that the character we're debating about looks like Chiaki Kuriyama, which is why he nicknamed her 'Kill Bill'. What form of sourcing or wording can I use to make that stand up as a fact, and be in the article, because it's an interesting tidbit of information about the character. The person I'm arguing with doesn't appear to speak much English and isn't that talented in grammar, so by conferring with him, I may encounter various difficulties. Do you have any suggestions or ideas on the situation?

As the person making the claim, it is up to you to find the source. You say the author acknowledged it but do not provide any source to prove this. Where did he say it? And please stop making personal attacks and insults towards other editors. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

So, would it be accepted if I were to source the manga chapter where the claim is made? Through the manga (the artists creation), she is called 'Kill Bill'. Common sense applies here. She's awknowledged as looking like Chiaki Kuriyama, who is in Kill Bill. I'm not certain, but I also think her name is Chiaki as well (and if it isn't, that also needs to be cleared from the section). I didn't feel the need to make a reference due to the fact it's already established in the article that her nickname is 'Kill Bill'. The author isn't going to randomly nickname her Kill Bill for no reason. It's a jab at how she looks like Chiaki Kuriyama. And I don't thing tingting or whoever understands that, because he's playing edit wars with me. So, should I make a reference/note to the chapter where she's called Kill Bill and the connection is made and established?

No, it would not. That is, again, original research and your personal opinion, not a verifiable fact (as has been explained to you multiple times). Wikipedia is not for the publishing of personal theories and ideas, but for verifiable, reliably sourced content. You are mistating things when you claim that the author has acknowledged anything, since obviously he has not. You're basically presuming that because the character is called "Kill Bill" this must be why. Again, this is not valid content, but your own views and do not belong in the article. A valid, reliable source would be an interview with the author stating that he based it on Chiaki Kuriyama. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh. I'll probably do a little more research when I feel bothered with it, to see if he has said such a thing. I mean, despite it being obvious and all, I guess it's still not enough of a fact. But, yeah. I'll attend to it later. I'm fairly certain she was based off of Chiaki (visually.) Due to her nickname 'Kill Bill'. I mean, you believe it, right? Chiaki Kuriyama was in Kill Bill, and the character looks like Chiaki Kuriyama. So, it's only logical assume to that the character's appearance was based off the actress, to the point where it's acknowledged in the authors own statement via the manga (through the character's naming 'Kill Bill') that she looks like Chiaki, or at least is similar enough for a nickname to be derived from her appearance. ANYWAYS, I've wasted a bit too much time with this. But, I hope you know, in schools, wikipedia isn't a verifiable or credible source. ;> I'm sixteen, and they always tell us that we can't source wikipedia at all. So, I guess reasons like that is why wikipedia is trying to have people take it seriously, by reinforcing everything with facts, proof, and evidences, whether it's blatantly obvious or not.

Also note; I'm going to have to spend time translating Chiaki's interview with Oku, because I was reading in a forum, that he did state that if he were to draw her, that he would draw her as a vampire who was cooler than Gogo (or something along the lines) wanna find out if that's true, because that might be all the evidence I need.