User talk:Den Watsons
Your recent edit appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you.
Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. —J. M. (talk) 01:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Please stop marking major edits as minor, and please stop adding entries without wikilinks to stand-alone lists that only include internal wikilinks. This can be seen as spamming. Thank you.—J. M. (talk) 19:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Before make an edit I have written to Wikipedia and also was in a chat to find an answer concerning the external links. I have asked, can I add the information without the links and articles on a wikipedia relying to these added information. I was said that I can, that's why I did it. Right now I will create wiki articles, before editing. But, I was said that I can post information without having wiki articles to link them. Thank you.— User: Den Watsons. (User talk: Den Watsons.|talk) 15:18, 14 March 2016 (GMT)
- Please stop lying. I know very well that you were told on the help desk that you cannot add those items to the list if they do not have their own article, and that you should not make edits related to your company at all ([1]). Yet, you decided to ignore it ([2], [3]), just like you ignored everything else before. One of he most unmistakable characteristics of spamming is lying and cheating.—J. M. (talk) 15:46, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hello there Den Watsons and J. M.. I am a helper on IRC and Den Watsons was on IRC help the other day and I erroneously gave him information that contradicted the help desk instructions - I can only plead exhaustion and distraction at the time. I accept responsibility for this misunderstanding. My apologies for the extra troubles this has caused. Chrisw80 (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- OK, sorry and thanks for the explanation. Still, my point stands. Den Watsons received warnings for his edits (which were reverted) before, and then on March 9, he got a confirmation on the help desk that he should not be doing it. Yet, on March 10, he did it again. Which was reverted yet again, by a different editor, with the same explanation ([4], [5]). And then when he was warned for this again, his excuse was that he was told that this was OK, completely concealing the negative answers on the help desk and all the warnings and reverts by multiple people. You may call it bending the truth, I still call this lying. Furthermore, he was yet again hiding the spam as minor edits (a typical tactic used by spammers on Wikipedia), despite the warning he got before for abusing minor edits. This is not a misunderstanding. This is intentional cheating, plain and simple. —J. M. (talk) 18:48, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- I am sorry but it's better for you to check again the information that you are spreading, concerning the spammer phrases and the blaming of me, you're contradicting yourself. I was said on the help desk that I can by a mistake, that was explained for you by Chrisw80. Take please the dates into account, I was said concerning the extra link on the March, 9. On March, 10 visited the Kiwi chat to find an answer, as for me it's not a pleasure to do the same stuff 100 times without a reason (I mean to edit the article, if I was said that I can't, no point here) and as it was pointed for you above a lot of times, by a mistake a got a wrong answer, I wasn't said the contrary, as you stand. Pay attention to that, please. Thank you. 07:40, 15 March 2016 (UTC)Den Watsons (talk)
- OK, sorry and thanks for the explanation. Still, my point stands. Den Watsons received warnings for his edits (which were reverted) before, and then on March 9, he got a confirmation on the help desk that he should not be doing it. Yet, on March 10, he did it again. Which was reverted yet again, by a different editor, with the same explanation ([4], [5]). And then when he was warned for this again, his excuse was that he was told that this was OK, completely concealing the negative answers on the help desk and all the warnings and reverts by multiple people. You may call it bending the truth, I still call this lying. Furthermore, he was yet again hiding the spam as minor edits (a typical tactic used by spammers on Wikipedia), despite the warning he got before for abusing minor edits. This is not a misunderstanding. This is intentional cheating, plain and simple. —J. M. (talk) 18:48, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hello there Den Watsons and J. M.. I am a helper on IRC and Den Watsons was on IRC help the other day and I erroneously gave him information that contradicted the help desk instructions - I can only plead exhaustion and distraction at the time. I accept responsibility for this misunderstanding. My apologies for the extra troubles this has caused. Chrisw80 (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Please stop lying. I know very well that you were told on the help desk that you cannot add those items to the list if they do not have their own article, and that you should not make edits related to your company at all ([1]). Yet, you decided to ignore it ([2], [3]), just like you ignored everything else before. One of he most unmistakable characteristics of spamming is lying and cheating.—J. M. (talk) 15:46, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello folks, let's all take a step back here and focus on how we can move forward constructively. J. M., what would you like to see ultimately happen here, moving forward? For future references, Den Watsons, it is not recommended that you create or edit articles that you are connected to. Also "minor edits" should only be checked if the edits are absolutely trivial (adding a period to fix a sentence for instance), no content should be added, removed, or materially changed if you check that box. We discussed drafting some articles for your company's media players, do you have 3-5 independent reliable sources (please see WP:RS) that discuss your media players comprehensively (not awards, not press releases, not blogs, not your company websites, not download links)? If so, I am willing to help make an article on the players if they meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Chrisw80 (talk) 19:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Chrisw80: I am not interested in discussing this anymore. I am not interested in endless and useless debates with spammers anymore. As a member of WikiProject Spam for many years, I've seen this thousands of times. What I said is true, it can be easily verified by checking the history. If Den Watsons stops spamming and cheating, great, if he doesn't, he will be reported and blocked. And I hope that's all. Goodbye.—J. M. (talk) 21:59, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for the provided information and understanding Chrisw80.. I will take into account all the rules and advices that were given and provided. Before the article submit, will give you them for checking, as you told me in the chat. Thank you.Den Watsons (talk) 14:12, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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