User talk:Dr.mabuse

Larisa Tarkovsky

Hi there, I wanted to respond to the additional sources you provided on the article's talk page, but as I was about to post my response, I found that administrators had deleted the page due to lack of Notability. Here's the response I wrote:

While you may have valid arguments to show a legitimate dispute of data such as birthdate, this disputed data along with the sources you have provided has already been added to the page, and is thus sufficient to address the dispute. No further changes to the article are warranted, as you have not provided any different data for a different argument. You cannot remove data such as vital statistics (names, birthdates, etc), and substitute the disputed data for it. BOTH sides of the dispute must be visible. This is already the case: the dispute is well-described, with sources, in two inline footnotes, placed immediately after the data in the article it refers to. You can ADD more sources to the existing footnotes (such as those you just cited on this talk page), but please don't modify the existing article otherwise. Your efforts are appreciated if properly placed. 97.32.0.188 (talk) 22:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As for the page's deletion, I would have to agree, as Larisa's sole stated contribution was to bring her husband coffee and lunch on the set of 4 of his movies. That's what "Assistant Director", sometimes known in Hollywood as "AD", usually means, no kidding! That doesn't make her "notable" for inclusion in Wikipedia. Neither does the claim that her profession was "comedienne". A person is not eligible for an article on WP merely because they are the spouse of a notable person such as Andrei Tarkovsky. I tried to add material myself to the page, but was hard pressed to find anything of substance.

BTW, gravestones will almost ALWAYS have the person's full birthdate, and most definitely will have a full deathdate, unless the stone was erected many years later. A stone with just two years means they didn't know what the correct dates were and are just guessing. Therefore, that's not a very reliable source in the case of Larisa Tarkovsky, and isn't enough worthy evidence to go changing the birth year from 1938, which EVERY even-moderately-reliable website source has listed for her, to 5 years earlier, on Wikipedia, or especially IMDb, which has even stricter standards for vital statistics. It IS worthy of a footnote, however.

I didn't get a chance to read the new sources you suggested. Would you please post them here; I'm curious, and you did do some research; hate to see it go to waste.

Also, I notice you kept changing her first husband's name from Vasily Kizilov to Igor Kizilov. I'm curious about your source for that as well. Especially as IMDb has Vasily as his name; is that wrong? 97.32.0.188 (talk) 22:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The full name of her daughter is Olga Igorevna Kizilova. Please read this text: http://www.nostalghia.com/TheDiaries/invitation.html And this one too: https://calmann-levy.fr/auteur/larissa-tarkovski Any more questions?--Dr.mabuse (talk) 22:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]