User talk:Elvestinkle

An unsourced placard is not a reference. If you read the totallity of the material on where the movement came from and how members of the Tea Party refer to themselves you would know that they never called themselves Teabaggers. I am not a Tea Party member but as a sympathizer per se.

Indeed, but the clause is worded thus: "latching onto language and accoutrement used by some of the protesters themselves." It is not necessary that they have called themselves teabaggers for the term to have originated from their use of the language. The fact that the phrase "teabag" was used as a verb by some of the protesters is sufficient evidence toward their contribution to the propogation of the term by critics. I have no horse in the support/sympathizer/critic race; my concern is the linguistic spread, and there is clear prior art by protesters. The term was not simply created out of thin air by critics, but drew on the protesters' own usage. I am happy to work with you to craft a more neutral POV wording, but simply removing the fact from the page is a step too far IMO.

I believe in the discussion board other members have expressed the reference well... In politics, "tea bagger" is always a derogatory term. (What conservative would boast of themselves as a tea bagger in a political context?) Anti-tax uses of the concept, like www.reteaparty.com, are based on "tea party" (tea partiers?), not tea bagging. Just because an anti-tax protest sign says "Tea bag liberal dems before they tea bag you" doesn't make it any less derogatory than the word "dick" in the phrase "Dick Cheney before he dicks you." G&E (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)...

Basically it comes down to whether a person would use Negro or the other N word to describe another. They are related words but the intent and use of the variation is determined on the effect expected by the user. I would say the Tea Party Member would use and equivalent of "Negro" to describe themself whereas a person intending on berating another person such as the Anderson Cooper Crowd et al would use the other N word to describe a Tea Party Member for their beliefs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beverett54 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

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