User talk:Extorc/Archive 7

Inaccurate close summary[edit]

This close summary is inaccurate. "Failed to attract any support" is simply not true. Better to close with no explanation than an inaccurate one. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I count at least 5 support votes. I don't disagree with the closure but the rationale is plainly inaccurate.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 03:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RM close[edit]

Can you please explain your rationale for this closure? There was a significant amount of discussion and closing without even a tiny bit of explanation seems inappropriate to me.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 03:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RMCS:4 Doesn't mandate extended comments or explanations. When I don't offer extended explanation, it simply means that the move failed to attract consensus. >>> Extorc.talk 11:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It says "You may add a closing rationale immediately after the boldfaced result if you think it is necessary." In this case, a rationale is absolutely necessary. Secondly, you closed the discussion as "not moved", while here you seem to be implying "no consensus". There is a difference between the two positions.

Kindly provide a detailed rationale that considers all of the policy arguments made as such rationales are often the basis for future RMs at the same article and related article.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 16:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have since changed my closing statement to No consensus to move and added further comments. Thanks >>> Extorc.talk 19:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the details, I'll post my specific questions below.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 20:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My questions are:

how did you evaluate whether or not "capture" was NPOV? Did you evaluate purely based on number of !votes? Did you give any considerations to source tables presented in the article, including the scholarly sources?
how did you determine whether or not "kidnapping" was NPOV?
What do you think was the most relevant policy in this debate by which you determined no consensus?
Are there !votes that you discounted? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 20:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, do you think this is a contentious enough debate that it is best that it be closed by an admin or someone more experienced? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 20:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Longhornsg, Cameron Dewe, Wafflefrites were the only participants who commented on POV of the word capture vs kidnapped and all were opposed to the notion that captured was NPOV. This encompasses your next question as the debate over this was quite polar.
No, I still stand by my closure and don't think there is any requirement for admin closure here. >>> Extorc.talk 21:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]