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Purp: Document effects seen in IE6 and Firefox while yelling for help!

Diff: This version after attempting to eliminate spurious verticle whitespace due to indentation in email editor 'source edit' window (Outlook Express, V-6)... See prior version too: user_talk:fabartus/unicode_bug_alt.

Contact targets: User: Patrick, User: CesarB and User: CBDunkerson (by direct email)

Note: I massaged this as best I could using notepad, particularly to cut down unnecessary verticle whitespace caused by 'space preceded <xxx> commands, but one effect is much of the text that was WYSIWIG copies is now in grey boxed offseted format. Pre-space truncated version is User talk:fabartus/unicode_bug_alt, which is less this note and the intervening preview. Both miss wide the message sense and flow of the full WYSIWYG email version formatting I'm about to send to Conrad. //FrankB 17:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


This is HTML paste-up
of observed problem behaviors, apparently caused by changes installed by user Patrick in {{space}} and ported by me to {{indent}}, alas, including to the commons versions... where I originated the 'space' test this morning to test other manifestations I noticed on article spaces (or talks?).

The Email[edit]

<html>

Help!
 
This all apparently begins with Patrick's changes

to   to incorporate {{{1}}}... Only God knows how many pages are suddenly 'broken' between en.wikipedia and the commons! (At least should mainly

be talks, at this juncture!)
 
Help! Mysterious font/formatting affects

attacking my sanity! (See note below on 'my IE6 browser' paranoia before acting!

Scrtch that--make my Windows XP? Also evincing in Firefox!)
 
 
Talk (test to check another observed occurence):
 
==Demo/Test==
#<nowiki> </nowiki>...

x y  1_ z
#<nowiki>  </nowiki>... x  y  2_ z
#<nowiki>   </nowiki>... x   y  3_ z
#<nowiki>    </nowiki>... x    y  4_ z
#<nowiki>     </nowiki>... x     y  5_ z
#<nowiki>      </nowiki>... x      y  6_ z
#<nowiki>       </nowiki>... x       y  7_ z
#<nowiki>        </nowiki>... x        y  8_ z
#<nowiki>         </nowiki>... x         y  9_ z
#<nowiki>          </nowiki>... x          y  10_ z
#<nowiki>           </nowiki>... x           y  11_ z
#<nowiki>            </nowiki>... x            

12_ z
 
-Somethings broken! // FrankB 17:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Gives:

Demo/Test

  1.  ... x y 1_  z
  2.   ... x y 2_ z
  3.    ... x y 3_ z
  4.     ... x y 4_ z
  5.      ... x y 5_ z
  6.       ... x y 6_ z
  7.        ... x y 7_ 
  8.         ... x y 8_ z
  9.          ... x y 9_ z
  10.           ... x y 10_ z
  11.            ... x y 11_ z
  12.             ... x y 12_ z

-Somethings broken! // <A title=User:Fabartus href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fabartus">Fra</A><A title="User talk:Fabartus" href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fabartus">nkB</A> 15:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

where we damn well shouldn't be seeing x y, nor  z!!!

My browser??? (paranoia setting in!)

Checking on wikipedia... on my talk I'm getting this (note the
    and [[User talk:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] at end...

Ah, Grasshopper, but
'No day is wasted when one learns something new' —Polgara
On the Commonwealth vs North

American English spellings... 
  If we all go around fiddling with sections, such alternating or at least dis-synchronous spellings will inevitably creep in. Since I've read a ton of British writers of history and SF over the years, I frankly have trouble knowing whether my usage is one or the other origination unless I really think on it... which makes no sense as the message matters, not the form, so
I just use whatever I put down without typo's.
Better for the stress, and the productivity.
   (My health-nut brother, a researcher in aging matters, in top physical shape, just had an emergency heart procedure despite innumerable lectures and his own exemplary example of things like commuting to work 3X a week by bicycle (over the short 38 miles of commute!). If all that exercise and healthy diet didn't help him, the rest of us should by rights be doomed! But stress...)
   The job stress is a trump card. This is a real eye-opener to me and a shock to everyone that knows him at all! Moral: reduce stress always!
Have you seen one of the so called 'Manglish' (Mangled English) humor emails that circulate from time to time where the letters are really switched around in the words, yet the paragraph's are entirely understandable? If that works (scientific fact, not just a trick joke in some carefully contrived text) in the brain to extract the comprehension, I'm sure not gonna waste my time worrying about an 's' vs. a 'z', and extra vowel, etc.
   Maybe once we get WYSIWIG editing we'll all have the same spell checkers. I rarely resort to one, so I'm sure my composition behaviours includes many
<A title="Commonwealth English" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_English">commonwealth English</A> spellings. Some days I'm lucky to get the syntax in links correct! Shrug!
('See this' msg post to [[User talk:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]])
However in 'preview', vice 'saved' display mode, note the diffs one

'save click' away in time!



 
Ah, Grasshopper, but
'No day is wasted when one learns something new' —Polgara
On the Commonwealth vs North American English spellings...
 
 If we all go around fiddling with sections, 
such alternating or at least dis-synchronous spellings will inevitably creep 
in. Since I've read a ton of British writers of history and SF over the 
years, I frankly have trouble knowing whether my usage is one or the other 
origination unless I really think on it... which makes no sense as the 
message matters, not the form, so I just use whatever I put down without 
typo's.
Better for the stress, and the productivity.
  (My health-nut brother, a researcher in aging matters, in top physical shape, just had an emergency heart procedure despite innumerable lectures and his own exemplary example of things like commuting to work 3X a week by bicycle (over the short 38 miles of commute!). If all that exercise and healthy diet didn't help him, the rest of us should by rights be doomed! But stress...)
  The job stress is a trump card. This is a real eye-opener to me and a shock to everyone that knows him at all! Moral: reduce stress always!
Have you seen one of the so called 'Manglish' (Mangled English) humor emails that circulate from time to time where the letters are really switched around in the words, yet the paragraph's are entirely understandable? If that works (scientific fact, not just a trick joke in some carefully contrived text) in the brain to extract the comprehension, I'm sure not gonna waste my time worrying about an 's' vs. a 'z', and extra vowel, etc.
  Maybe once we get WYSIWIG editing we'll all have the same spell checkers. I rarely resort to one, so I'm sure my composition behaviours includes many <A title="Commonwealth English" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_English">commonwealth English</A> spellings. Some days I'm lucky to get the syntax in links correct! Shrug!
'See this to <A title="User talk:CmdrObot" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CmdrObot">CmdrObot</A>
I'm also now seeing a square rectangle where all

the
    evince in this 'unicoded' version pasted herein to Outlook Express.  Checking that by edit/preview on Firefox we

get:
 
Ah, Grasshopper, but
'No day is wasted when one learns something new' —Polgara
On the Commonwealth vs North American English spellings...
 
 If we all go around fiddling with sections, 
such alternating or at least dis-synchronous spellings will inevitably creep 
in. Since I've read a ton of British writers of history and SF over the 
years, I frankly have trouble knowing whether my usage is one or the other 
origination unless I really think on it... which makes no sense as the 
message matters, not the form, so I just use whatever I put down without 
typo's.
Better for the stress, and the productivity.
  (My health-nut brother, a researcher in aging matters, in top physical shape, just had an emergency heart procedure despite innumerable lectures and his own exemplary example of things like commuting to work 3X a week by bicycle (over the short 38 miles of commute!). If all that exercise and healthy diet didn't help him, the rest of us should by rights be doomed! But stress...)
More square rectangles for me.
I just reverted Patrick's guts in
on en.wikipedia, in preview I now see:
 
Ah, Grasshopper, but
'No day is wasted when one learns something new' —Polgara
On the Commonwealth vs North

American English spellings...
  If we all go around fiddling with sections, such alternating or at least dis-synchronous spellings will inevitably creep in. Since I've read a ton of British writers of history and SF over the years, I frankly have trouble knowing whether my usage is one or the other origination unless I really think on it... which makes no sense as the message matters, not the form, so I just use whatever I put down without
typo's.
Better for the stress, and the productivity.
    (My health-nut brother, a researcher in aging matters,
Which Has NO Squares showing up...
 
And is also behaving properly in both browsers outside edit-preview.
 
Frank

<clear all>

Nowiki version[edit]

paste up yourselves?

</nowiki>

Help!
 
This all apparently begins with Patrick's changes

to   to incorporate {{{1}}}... Only God knows how many pages are suddenly 'broken' between en.wikipedia and the commons! (At least should mainly

be talks, at this juncture!)
 
Help! Mysterious font/formatting affects

attacking my sanity! (See note below on 'my IE6 browser' paranoia before acting!

Scrtch that--make my Windows XP? Also evincing in Firefox!)
 
 
Talk (test to check another observed occurence):
 
==Demo/Test==
#<nowiki> </nowiki>...

x y  1_ z
#<nowiki>  </nowiki>... x  y  2_ z
#<nowiki>   </nowiki>... x   y  3_ z
#<nowiki>    </nowiki>... x    y  4_ z
#<nowiki>     </nowiki>... x     y  5_ z
#<nowiki>      </nowiki>... x      y  6_ z
#<nowiki>       </nowiki>... x       y  7_ z
#<nowiki>        </nowiki>... x        y  8_ z
#<nowiki>         </nowiki>... x         y  9_ z
#<nowiki>          </nowiki>... x          y  10_ z
#<nowiki>           </nowiki>... x           y  11_ z
#<nowiki>            </nowiki>... x            

12_ z
 
-Somethings broken! // FrankB 17:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Gives:

Demo/Test

  1.  ... x y 1_  z
  2.   ... x y 2_ z
  3.    ... x y 3_ z
  4.     ... x y 4_ z
  5.      ... x y 5_ z
  6.       ... x y 6_ z
  7.        ... x y 7_ 
  8.         ... x y 8_ z
  9.          ... x y 9_ z
  10.           ... x y 10_ z
  11.            ... x y 11_ z
  12.             ... x y 12_ z

-Somethings broken! // <A title=User:Fabartus href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fabartus">Fra</A><A title="User talk:Fabartus" href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fabartus">nkB</A> 15:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

where we damn well shouldn't be seeing x y, nor  z!!!

My browser??? (paranoia setting in!)

Checking on wikipedia... on my talk I'm getting this (note the
    and [[User talk:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] at end...

Ah, Grasshopper, but
'No day is wasted when one learns something new' —Polgara
On the Commonwealth vs North

American English spellings... 
  If we all go around fiddling with sections, such alternating or at least dis-synchronous spellings will inevitably creep in. Since I've read a ton of British writers of history and SF over the years, I frankly have trouble knowing whether my usage is one or the other origination unless I really think on it... which makes no sense as the message matters, not the form, so
I just use whatever I put down without typo's.
Better for the stress, and the productivity.
   (My health-nut brother, a researcher in aging matters, in top physical shape, just had an emergency heart procedure despite innumerable lectures and his own exemplary example of things like commuting to work 3X a week by bicycle (over the short 38 miles of commute!). If all that exercise and healthy diet didn't help him, the rest of us should by rights be doomed! But stress...)
   The job stress is a trump card. This is a real eye-opener to me and a shock to everyone that knows him at all! Moral: reduce stress always!
Have you seen one of the so called 'Manglish' (Mangled English) humor emails that circulate from time to time where the letters are really switched around in the words, yet the paragraph's are entirely understandable? If that works (scientific fact, not just a trick joke in some carefully contrived text) in the brain to extract the comprehension, I'm sure not gonna waste my time worrying about an 's' vs. a 'z', and extra vowel, etc.
   Maybe once we get WYSIWIG editing we'll all have the same spell checkers. I rarely resort to one, so I'm sure my composition behaviours includes many
<A title="Commonwealth English" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_English">commonwealth English</A> spellings. Some days I'm lucky to get the syntax in links correct! Shrug!
('See this' msg post to [[User talk:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]])
However in 'preview', vice 'saved' display mode, note the diffs one

'save click' away in time!



 
Ah, Grasshopper, but
'No day is wasted when one learns something new' —Polgara
On the Commonwealth vs North American English spellings...
 
 If we all go around fiddling with sections, 
such alternating or at least dis-synchronous spellings will inevitably creep 
in. Since I've read a ton of British writers of history and SF over the 
years, I frankly have trouble knowing whether my usage is one or the other 
origination unless I really think on it... which makes no sense as the 
message matters, not the form, so I just use whatever I put down without 
typo's.
Better for the stress, and the productivity.
  (My health-nut brother, a researcher in aging matters, in top physical shape, just had an emergency heart procedure despite innumerable lectures and his own exemplary example of things like commuting to work 3X a week by bicycle (over the short 38 miles of commute!). If all that exercise and healthy diet didn't help him, the rest of us should by rights be doomed! But stress...)
  The job stress is a trump card. This is a real eye-opener to me and a shock to everyone that knows him at all! Moral: reduce stress always!
Have you seen one of the so called 'Manglish' (Mangled English) humor emails that circulate from time to time where the letters are really switched around in the words, yet the paragraph's are entirely understandable? If that works (scientific fact, not just a trick joke in some carefully contrived text) in the brain to extract the comprehension, I'm sure not gonna waste my time worrying about an 's' vs. a 'z', and extra vowel, etc.
  Maybe once we get WYSIWIG editing we'll all have the same spell checkers. I rarely resort to one, so I'm sure my composition behaviours includes many <A title="Commonwealth English" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_English">commonwealth English</A> spellings. Some days I'm lucky to get the syntax in links correct! Shrug!
'See this to <A title="User talk:CmdrObot" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CmdrObot">CmdrObot</A>
I'm also now seeing a square rectangle where all

the
    evince in this 'unicoded' version pasted herein to Outlook Express.  Checking that by edit/preview on Firefox we

get:
 
Ah, Grasshopper, but
'No day is wasted when one learns something new' —Polgara
On the Commonwealth vs North American English spellings...
 
 If we all go around fiddling with sections, 
such alternating or at least dis-synchronous spellings will inevitably creep 
in. Since I've read a ton of British writers of history and SF over the 
years, I frankly have trouble knowing whether my usage is one or the other 
origination unless I really think on it... which makes no sense as the 
message matters, not the form, so I just use whatever I put down without 
typo's.
Better for the stress, and the productivity.
  (My health-nut brother, a researcher in aging matters, in top physical shape, just had an emergency heart procedure despite innumerable lectures and his own exemplary example of things like commuting to work 3X a week by bicycle (over the short 38 miles of commute!). If all that exercise and healthy diet didn't help him, the rest of us should by rights be doomed! But stress...)
More square rectangles for me.
I just reverted Patrick's guts in
on en.wikipedia, in preview I now see:
 
Ah, Grasshopper, but
'No day is wasted when one learns something new' —Polgara
On the Commonwealth vs North

American English spellings...
  If we all go around fiddling with sections, such alternating or at least dis-synchronous spellings will inevitably creep in. Since I've read a ton of British writers of history and SF over the years, I frankly have trouble knowing whether my usage is one or the other origination unless I really think on it... which makes no sense as the message matters, not the form, so I just use whatever I put down without
typo's.
Better for the stress, and the productivity.
    (My health-nut brother, a researcher in aging matters,
Which Has NO Squares showing up...
 
And is also behaving properly in both browsers outside edit-preview.
 
Frank

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