User talk:Fightingirish/Archive1 Nov 2007

TPT

Why should TPT be split up into two articles? They are essentially the same channel. Channel 17 should not have its own page. Smkohnstamm 03:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your question, channels 2 and 17 should be split. And the articles for both should be in the form of their call letters. This is the form in which all radio/TV station articles take. Channels 2 and 17 are separate stations, with separate licenses, different sign-on dates, power output, etc. Granted, both stations are owned and operated together. But so are KMSP and WFTC. And KSTP-TV and KSTC. Should both sets of those stations be combined? I think not. --Fightingirish 08:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, that's fine, do whatever you think is appropriate, I trust your judgement. PS nice movie choices in the userboxes.Smkohnstamm 16:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Elliott

You added some wrong info to the Jon Elliott page. He hosts from noon-2. He is only going to be a temp host at AAR not a permanent. (previously unsigned comment by Solisdaniel 05:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

THANK YOUUUU

Seriously, the HD image thing was horrid- thanks for making a new one. Simple. :-) (previously unsigned comment by Big texas lump 16:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Question

I noticed that you use a {{radiologo}} template for radio logos, is there one for TV logos as well? If so, it would greatly help me in my fair-use rationales, which I normally just use {{Non-free logo}}. Take Care and Enjoy the rest of your weekend....NeutralHomer ^T:C 19:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try {{tvlogo}} --Fightingirish 19:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, many thanks. - NeutralHomer ^T:C 19:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Radio station schedules

I'll chime in here, since I have been one of the people that has been removing these promotional schedules from articles. I really do feel that there needs to be some discussion of this topic, so we can sort this all out once and for all.

I am of the mindset that this stuff is mere clutter, and just duplicates what is on the station's website. And while the odd station here or there may have some solidity in their on-air roster, that is certainly not the case for most of the stations out there. Articles for TV stations don't have the whole on-air schedules on them, so why should radio stations? For large markets like New York, L.A., San Francisco, etc., I have been more lenient, since at many of these stations, a good deal of the on-air talents are actual celebrities, and are well-known in the industry. But Cleveland? No offense, but I just don't see the mention of the early Sunday morning public affairs show to be of vital importance. There is no real credible reason for schedules of this type to be included in an article. I will say that I have compromised a bit and rewritten some on-air schedules in truncated paragraph form.

I just posted the following at Wikiproject:Radio Stations. Here's the text:

I've run across quite a few of these things. These are long lists and schedules listing every on-air shift and every on-air personality at the station, even down to the Sunday morning public affairs shows. I've noticed that many of these have been put into the articles by radio station employees themselves. In fact, I'm currently involved in an editing conflict with a radio station employee who obviously think that adding this stuff is of vital importance. Take this one for example:

Programs

Weekdays

12:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m.: After Midnight with Blair Garner
5:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.: Mantel and Michelle
9:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.: Michelle Maloney
10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.: Michael J. (Also on WPOC)
2:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.: Chuck Collier (Also on WMJI)
7:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m.: Kat Jackson

Saturday

12:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m.: After Midnight Weekends with Larry Morgan
6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.: Ben and Brian's Big Top 20 Countdown
9:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.: Michelle Maloney
2:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.: Chuck Collier (Also on WMJI)
7:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m.: The Big Time Saturday Night with Whitney Allen

Sunday

12:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m.: After Midnight Weekends with Larry Morgan
6:00 a.m. to 6:30 a.m.: Public Affairs with Ted Lux
6:30 a.m. to 8:00 a.m.: Cleveland Country Classics with Chuck Collier (Also on WMJI)
8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.: American Country Countdown with Kix Brooks
12:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.: Kat Jackson
6:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m.: Scott Glaser/Daune Robinson (Also on WMJI, WMVX & WHOF)/Ryan Lloyd

Quite frankly, I feel this is rather excessive, is promotional, long, poorly laid out, irrelevant, filled with names of people few people really care about and merely duplicates information found on the stations' web sites. These are too directory-like and full of unimportant information. I think it's time to address this issue and see what others involved in the project think about schedules on radio station articles. Personally, unless we're talking New York or L.A. or some talk station, this is really useless information, particularly for a market like Cleveland. Especially when one can find this on the station's website. And it's certainly not a place to promote one's buddies.

In closing, many of the radio articles suffer from massive bloat. Take WCBS-FM for example. I tried paring this thing down, to be straight to the point and a nice read, without all the rambling. This was even after many people complained about how poorly written the article was prior. The thanks I got? People reverted all the changes and added even more crap, including a whole list of the station's management and sales department. Unreal! My goal is merely to help make these articles to the point, easy to read, free from spam and advertising, factual, filled with key historical and technical information, and above all, an interesting read for casual visitors. And quite frankly, I think this should be key to any article. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Fightingirish 00:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fightingirish,

Thanks for the note. You're certainly not wrong that many of these articles are poorly-written and need good copyedits to remove advertizing and listcruft. I recently removed a janitor from one station's list of staff. Do not be discouraged that your changes are getting reverted. The version of WCBS-FM that you had here looked pretty good (except that it lacked sourcing). See if you can't restore some of that to the article. If the changes get reverted by gibberish-inserting IPs, we can always semi-protect the article.

As far as the local schedules go, I wouldn't include them, but I'm not sure a slow edit war is the solution, either. You've made your case on WT:WPRS; let's see if we can't get some kind of a consensus. Firsfron of Ronchester 00:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Undoing missing rationale tagging

Greetings. I see that you've removed a bunch of missing rationale tags without actually providing a rationale. Please don't do that. If a rationale is not provided the images will just be tagged again, and eventually deleted. You can find information on providing a rationale at Wikipedia:Fair_use_rationale_guideline.--Gmaxwell 22:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]