User talk:GenoV84/2021/November

Specific page numbers

Hey GenoV84,

I have seen you add some high quality sources to articles, and that's really good. One thing I'd suggest is giving the specific page numbers. In this edit you give page numbers "239-301", which is really broad. If someone wants to verify this one reference, they'd have to read 63 pages. It would be more helpful to limit it to 1-2 pages. I see other references that have broad page ranges too. Thanks, VR _talk 02:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I thought we were supposed to cite the entire chapter or article in the templates, I usually do it with all kinds of sources. But I got it, thanks for the advice, I'll fix that. GenoV84 (talk) 02:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Michael Klonsky

Hello, I'm David Eppstein. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Michael Klonsky, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! —David Eppstein (talk) 20:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

The source that I provided is a reliable, academic source: Norwood, Stephen H. (2013). "Shaping the Next Generations: The Persistence of Far Left Antisemitism, 1973–2012". Antisemitism and the American Far Left. Cambridge and New York: Cambridge University Press. p. 209. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139565806.008. ISBN 9781107657007. S2CID 153120694. GenoV84 (talk) 20:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It is not a question of whether it is reliable in the abstract, but whether it is a reliable source for what you are using it for. It is not.

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons. Thank you. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm not a new editor, in case you didn't know that. Remember, you should always assume good faith from other editors and avoid deleting academic sources because you disagree with what it's written in those sources, especially when someone provides the relative quote borrowed directly from the cited sources, as I did. GenoV84 (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It seems that Norwood has not provided a primary source for either of the two claims, even though he provided primary sources for many other things. Given the amount of misinformation (much of it deliberate) about the American left of the the period, I would say that a source which doesn't prove its claims should not be considered reliable for those claims to BLP standards. Zero^talk 01:07, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Specific page numbers

Hey GenoV84,

I have seen you add some high quality sources to articles, and that's really good. One thing I'd suggest is giving the specific page numbers. In this edit you give page numbers "239-301", which is really broad. If someone wants to verify this one reference, they'd have to read 63 pages. It would be more helpful to limit it to 1-2 pages. I see other references that have broad page ranges too. Thanks, VR _talk 02:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I thought we were supposed to cite the entire chapter or article in the templates, I usually do it with all kinds of sources. But I got it, thanks for the advice, I'll fix that. GenoV84 (talk) 02:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Michael Klonsky

Hello, I'm David Eppstein. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Michael Klonsky, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! —David Eppstein (talk) 20:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

The source that I provided is a reliable, academic source: Norwood, Stephen H. (2013). "Shaping the Next Generations: The Persistence of Far Left Antisemitism, 1973–2012". Antisemitism and the American Far Left. Cambridge and New York: Cambridge University Press. p. 209. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139565806.008. ISBN 9781107657007. S2CID 153120694. GenoV84 (talk) 20:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It is not a question of whether it is reliable in the abstract, but whether it is a reliable source for what you are using it for. It is not.

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons. Thank you. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm not a new editor, in case you didn't know that. Remember, you should always assume good faith from other editors and avoid deleting academic sources because you disagree with what it's written in those sources, especially when someone provides the relative quote borrowed directly from the cited sources, as I did. GenoV84 (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It seems that Norwood has not provided a primary source for either of the two claims, even though he provided primary sources for many other things. Given the amount of misinformation (much of it deliberate) about the American left of the the period, I would say that a source which doesn't prove its claims should not be considered reliable for those claims to BLP standards. Zero^talk 01:07, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

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