User talk:HansAntel

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Hello I am Hans Antel an occupational psychologist

I studied NLP under Grinder's teachings. Luckilly for me and unlucky for my employer, I did not have to pay for the expensive study. I stayed open to the teachings and tried to apply them wherever I could during my job for months afterwards and found them to be lacking compared to the other techniques and applications that I had learned throughout my undergraduate training in traditional scientific methods. I also attended conference meetings with other NLP enthusiasts in Europe (especially France Denmark and Germany). I could still not get any real knowledge or effective technique from them, and they seemed to be very good at explaining away their failures. I did make further studies and (well I knew the theories were highly wrong because I have a Master degree in psychology), and I found that the methods did mainly not work in experimental testing also. Regarding the engram term, European NLP enthusiasts do find it useful and one of them explained to me that the word (as a nominalization) was useful for getting people to believe that words can make permanent changes in the brain. He said that engram was useful because it is convincing. I have also heard asian NLP enthusiasts talking using the engram term. Its a psychology word, so why not! I have also been watching this discussion and really NLP users do not have anything to add apart from stories. That is the way NLP has developed. Testing gives a very negative view and that is how my other peers see NLP. Its actually turned out to be quite a comedy system of therapy, but not intentionally. I am grateful for the studies presented here, and I think Platt and I have a lot of experience in common. I also found the Von Bergen reference to be extremely useful. I wrote a report on NLP for publication at my local training authority and I also emailed it and other research to Alice De Grey. It is negative in conclusion, but the research is balanced according to the guidelines of my professional body.

If you like NLP, then good for you! Just don't expect your stories or opinion to be published in an encyclopedia. Hans AntelHansAntel 03:27, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


Hello HansAntel, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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You have been blocked for 24 hours[edit]

You have been blocked for this. --Woohookitty(meow) 06:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I shortened it upon discovery of the literature you were referring to. Next time though, please make it explicit by saying "some lit calls it nazilinguistic" or whatever. Just saying what you said makes it sound extremely incivil, because it makes it sound like you are calling it nazilinguistic. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, but please be more careful next time. --Woohookitty(meow) 07:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Where are you located?[edit]

Hi Hans, I have a few questions regarding your editing patterns:

  • Firstly, what country do you live in?

---=-C-=- 03:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

What NPOV policy are you working? HansAntel 10:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It's related to CheckUser policy. Are you located in Hong Kong? ---=-C-=- 17:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I am based in south China (Guangdong, DongGuan, Kowloon, Macau and Hainan island). I live also in Paris and Stockholm and stay in Canbera sometimes also. I think I know what you are looking after. Meatpuppeting is an issue in this article. Experts clump in patterns I have noticed. NLPer clumps quite naturalish but also they mix with some non NLPer. The bans also include NLP-pro editors so they are mixed also. I don't see a problem. Australia is small population, but China is large. In south China NLP is a cult. The awareness regimes are high and it is on lists. Academic groups also know NLP is a cult in south China and treat it with suspicious eyes. I met some already and they study it. I don't mind the issue, and the mediators are doing the job. So long as the article is reason-filled and good research I see situation is ok. HansAntel 03:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
On second thought, I'm going to assume good faith with you, and will not request a CheckUser. However, I urge you to ignore your personal experience and base your contributions on what is actually in the literature. HeadleyDown is preparing a RfC on NPOV so this should be good feedback for all of us. HeadleyDown is also located in China, so you might be able to get together to discuss the best way forward. ---=-C-=- 06:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

There is a lot of acedemics in China who research Kults. I will see lotsHansAntel 06:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I have been blocked from my editing because I am Hong Kong editor[edit]

Woohookitty. I do not respect decision to ban me. NLPers working together to coverup and censor everything. HK skeptics work harder to show the facts. You arbitrator decision is against world editing. You burn our effigies on the NLP talk page. You say virulent POV but you show nothing on NLPer hate mails, insults, that happen over the year. You complain about Katefan being outed. Comaze try to out us all. I say it is hypocrit way. Your mentors are laziest people I met. You just ban people if you think it is too hard to include the facts. Unacceptable! HansAntel 09:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)