User talk:Ihsan F

Please stop removing content

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at 2022 Pakistani constitutional crisis, you may be blocked from editing. User4edits (talk) 22:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sir/maam,

I apologise if you think my editing was disruptive and if you believe i have not explained my reasoning properly.

1. A Coup is defined as:a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. The actions on 3rd April 2022 do not meet this definition. Thus it is un-accurate and in fact a lie to call it a coup. Therefore, as a WIKIPEDIAN, I believe it is my duty to put the record straight.

2. The article references Russian comments on the overthrowing of the govt. In the Russian statement the world alleged is not used, therefore I have corrected the article and accurately portrayed what the Russian statement said.

I have now provided an explanation. If you disagree with my analysis, I am happy to hear your reasons.

Regards,

I.F Ihsan F (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. Welcome to Wikipedia, we assume Good Faith, and I encourage to you read What Wikipedia is not. Changes on Wikipedia are made by citing Reliable Sources and Consensus. While I understand your certain beliefs and knowledge about the subject, I would encourage you to understand that

1. It is called a constitutional coup, that too, effectively not actually. Since this was a constitutional coup, there can be no room for violence anything of sort. What Mr. Khan did through himself, the President, and the Speaker of Assembly have been called unconstitutional by the supreme court (in my knowledge), Mr. Khan did all this to retain power. Since unconstitutional deeds by the head of the government, and the head of state are highly illegal, therefore, as per your given definition of coup, it somewhat matches the criteria.

2. The Russian statement is not quoted verbatim, there is no proof of alleged conspiracy so far in my knowledge, therefore in the interest of the unaware readers, the word alleged is added editorially.

Thank you, 17:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC) User4edits (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You for your message, I will read the articles you have suggested.

1. How is calling elections retaining power? He dismissed himself from office and asked the people to elect a new govt. So it is un-factual and misleading to call it a constitutional coup. The Honourable Supreme Court of Pakistan called the actions of 3rd April 2022 contrary to the constitution, not unconstitutional, which means the Governments interpretation of articles of the constitution were wrong, not that they subverted or violated the constitution.

2. Even though the Russians didn't use the world alleged, I agree that it is in the best interest of unaware readers that the world "alleged" remains in the article.

Regards,

I.F Ihsan F (talk) 11:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1. I am not here to discuss the politics with you, but since I am a student of Political Science, I shall tell you that since he had lost majority in parliament (as proved later), or at a time when his majority was questioned in parliament he should not have dissolved the parliament itself. Rest, I advice you to read the Pakistani Constitution, and articles on this subject.

Thanks, User4edits (talk) 17:37, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sir/Maam I am not discussing politics, nor am I defending the actions of Mr Imran Khan on the 3rd of April 2022, I just am asking you to put the record straight. A constitutional coup involves seizing or securing power for yourself, calling an election is not seizing power. Another point, at the time he called for desolation of the National Assembly, there was no VONC in his opinion, or the opinion of the Speaker and Deputy speaker, his actions were therefore not unconstitutional themselves but due to the incorrect speakers decision, his decisions were of no legal affect as stated in the Honourable Supremes Cours ruling on 7th April 2022. Ihsan F (talk) 12:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

19 July

Warning stop your unsourced and descriptive edits at National Assembly of Pakistan otherwise you will be reported to wikipedia administrators this can be resulted a permanent ban for you from editing wikipedia. 103.141.159.230 (talk) 17:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Thank you for the warning. Firstly if you want the source I can provide it. Secondly, there is nothing unfactual about my edit. The ANP and Independents have refused to be part of the govt, they literally have said this themselves, so how can you put them under the "govt" list? They are allies of the govt who are only there to give them votes in the case of a confidence vote. Please correct this mistake or I will report your edit as unfactual and wrong. P.S Here are my sources: https://arynews.tv/anp-rejected-becoming-part-of-pml-n-govt-sources/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/2353355/who-opposed-dawars-inclusion-in-the-federal-cabinet Ihsan F (talk) 19:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]