User talk:Jsimpson913

Willie

Please stop adding this neologism to the Glossary of golf article. The only mention of it anywhere seems to be a news story about a campaign to try and promote its use; that illustrates that it is simply not a term that is used in golf (and likely never will be), and is therefore not something that belongs on Wikipedia. Regards, _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 03:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello:

I understand why you don't feel that this term belongs on Wikipedia. I would however like to provide you with additional background info on why I disagree. While making this campaign go viral might be a long-shot, I'm very much encouraged by my progress and success to-date. The marketing plan and feedback I've received has indicated to me that the goal to make this an acceptable/viral golfing term,while a long-shot, is possible.

- I'm a retired marketing professional with a strong IT background.

- I kick-started the campaign by utilizing email and social media contacts and it proved successful.

- I was an Oracle Senior consultant for a good part of my career and have many golfing and business contacts across the country. Many of them offered advice and, best of all, they forwarded the campaign details within their circle of contacts.

- I recently contacted the USGA asking for advice on the policies and procedures to get a term approved. Since it's somewhat outside the traditional golf terms they replied that they were going to pass it along to their staff and would get back to me.

- My current focus has been contacting golf-centric user sites on Facebook as well as golfing publications. The objective is that they will continue to pick up on this story and help expand the campaign.

The biggest challenge is getting to the decision makers and not the "contact us" email box.

- The newspaper article was helpful and I'm also making copies of it and requesting local club pros post the article with their pro shops and share it with others.

I actually live in Florida in a golfing community and both my wife and I are avid golfers. We have 2 great courses and usually golf at least 4 times each week. With the recent heat in the high 90's and even over 100 degrees we have been playing earlier in the day. Last week we were up North visiting family for a week and I was discussing the "Willie" campaign with my son-in-law, who is a Principal in a middle school, He is very familiar with Wikipedia and suggested I utilize it to promote marketing of the campaign. I felt it was a great idea. I must say it took me several attempts to enter it with the correct formatting however I was happy with the results.

I must say that your message was in fact the first negative comment I've received. I really look forward to your feedback.

Jim Simpson Jsimpson913 (talk) 05:49, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is absolutely not the place for campaigning, promotion or marketing. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 06:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read my reply yet? Where exactly is the specific rules and criteria as to what is allowed and not allowed? At what point does the term Willie become acceptable? I can assure you that it is now being used by many within my golfing environment.

Jim Jsimpson913 (talk) 12:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I modified the description and removed the link to the newspaper article to match your criteria would that be acceptable? For example:

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Willie

When a golfer hits a very bad golf shot and the result turns out great. A good example is when a golfer hits their shot into the water and it skips several times and rolls onto the green close, or even in, the hole. This term began in Massachusetts and is also known to be used in parts of Florida.

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I trust that this version addresses your concerns? Please feel free to make other modifications that you feel would make this acceptable.

Thank you,

Jim Jsimpson913 (talk) 22:06, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wikipedia is not a collection of things you just made up one day and are attempting to force upon the world. Wikipedia is also not a tool for promotion. Unless the term comes into common widespread usage and can be verified as such through independent secondary reliable sources it is simply not an acceptable addition – and to be perfectly honest with you, this is just never going to happen. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:15, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I can assure you that many of the current terms in your golf glossary started out in the same way as our Willie term. In addition, I feel you are making incorrect assumptions as to the amount of success we have had to date, the number of golfers that currently use the term as well the future plans to continue to spread the word.

I'm not sure if you are a golfer or not however I've done considerable research and have concluded that there is no accepted term for the type of shot I want to define as a "Willie". It was very ironic that while watching the 1st round of the British Open recently the announcer commented on a player's golf shot and said: “That shot was actually a very good bad missed shot.” They just reinforced my research that there is no universal golf term for this type of golf shot.

Based on your last reply it does not appear I might change your opinion, Do you have the official title and power to make this a final decision? Is there an appeal process or committee I could file an appeal with?

Thanks,

Jim Jsimpson913 (talk) 21:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to open a discussion on the matter at a relevant talk page, but I couldn't be more certain that you would not get a different answer. Your term (and campaign) simply does not meet the criteria for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Not all things in golf need a special name, and most do not have one and never will. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 22:15, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]