User talk:Kalatikaka

Comment from Artistsego

Hi, in the page Jumma Khan Marri I put nationality Balochi because it's his nation and his native language is balochi not urdu, the ethnic group of balochi people is persian, but his citizenship is Pakistani and the official language of his citizenship is urdu, but this is not his "native" language, and wikipedia specifically asks for native (what he was born into). If you want to add this additional info please do so, but if you keep edit the wrong information I will keep undoing it. Thanks brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artistsego (talk • contribs) 13:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't remove sourced content without consensus

In this edit you removed content (specifically, context about the subject's Nishan-e-Haider award) that is properly sourced without providing an explanation and without seeking consensus via discussion, to do so. This removal has been the subject of a great deal of disruption to the article over the last few months. If you remove it again without consensus to do so, your editing privileges will be interrupted. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Though I believe you meant well with these edits, there were three core problems: 1) You can't use a discussion forum as a reference per WP:UGC. 2) The remaining reference, a book, doesn't mention Khan as part of the body swap, and it does not support the totality of the assertions you made. 3) The rest of the content about "human decency" sounds like *Wikipedia* is making a judgment about India's behaviour. The phrasing would need to be improved, even if you could find proper sources. See WP:RS, by the way, for our guidelines on sources. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb: I got your point. The book in question talks about the incident that took place in the middle of July 1999. Karnal Sher Khan was also killed in July 1999. I used the forum because they cited the news from 16 July 1999. The link to that news currently does not exist anymore and I have tried to see digital libraries related to it but I couldn't find any archived copy. There is also another website which cites that news. So can this website be consider reliable? Also I apologise for using such words. I tried to imply that those were Pakistani accusations. It was not my intention to imply that wikipedia was making any judgement. I will make sure not repeat such mistakes in the future.

The book and the news both talk about Pakistani accusations and that those accusations were made in the middle of the month of July 1999. So they are most likely talking about the same events. So for that reason I added both of them to show the other side view as well to make it more neutral. Kalatikaka (talk) 17:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not clear on what specifically you are trying to make "more neutral". The reason why the bodies were delayed? If that's the case, wording like "There are differing opinions on what caused the delay in returning the solders' bodies to Pakistan. Some sources attribute the delay to Pakistan initially denying that their soldiers were involved in the battle, other sources ascribe the delay to India for X reason". (If properly sourced.) However, it really doesn't seem relevant to me to explain why any bodies were delayed, since this is ultimately an article about Khan, not about the battle. Maybe the smart approach is to cut that reason. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb: Thank you for your input. I wasn't really planning on adding that. I was just going to write that "On 16 July 1999, Pakistani officials asked India to return the bodies Karnal Sher Khan and others. They were subsequently returned by Indian officials on 18 July 1999." I agree on 'delaying part' since that would mean going off topic. So I am not planning on adding that. Can i add the above information on Sher Khan's page about Pakistan asking to return the bodies using this source [1] ? Kalatikaka (talk) 19:33, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, underscoring what I said earlier, I don't think any of it is necessary and it just opens the door to needless dispute. I won't object to the inclusion above provided the date can be sourced. Also, no need to mention his entire name, just Khan. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:37, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]