User talk:KazooOfTheNorth

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Speedy deletion nomination of Smart Distributed System

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A tag has been placed on Smart Distributed System requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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A better approach

The article Smart Distributed System has zero references, and no indication that it is a notable company. In the early days of Wikipedia, it was not uncommon to start with limited material, and add notability over a short period of time, but norms have changed, and articles failing to meet minimum standards are not permitted. As an alternative. you could work on an article in user space, for example, User:KazooOfTheNorth/Smart Distributed System, where you could add reliable sources without editors looking to delete the article immediately.--SPhilbrick T 18:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your note on the talk page that you hoped someone else would develop this "stub". It was not a stub. Even stubs require evidence of notability. I hope you will try again (in user space) but if you were unable to find anything, it may be a challenge.--SPhilbrick T 18:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to your question at my talk page

Your article wasn't about Honeywell, which is notable and has its own article. It was about some technology you claim is promoted by Honeywell. You provided no indication the technology meets Notability requirements, and no references to reliable sources. Adding a link to Honeywell doesn't help, as notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. --SPhilbrick T 17:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where and what are you looking at to show you that WP not inherited stuff? How is a product formerly made by Honeywell not about Honeywell? Didn't that other link indicate that Honeywell did make it? --KazooOfTheNorth (talk) 19:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A product made by Honeywell is not automatically notable. We don't have an article about every single product for sale. The products themselves have to be notable, and not inherently notable because they are made by a notable company. I didn't follow the link. Links are to support claims you make. (You asked what I was looking at; do you understand that a blue link such as this is a link to more information?)--SPhilbrick T 21:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was imprecise in asking "what are you looking at?" I am trying to follow your meaning in what I should have done to imply that because this is a product made by Honeywell, I should have done thus and so to denote inherited notability. Isn't it rather arbitrary to say something to the effect of, "just because a large controls company made this control to control automation in the world, it's not notable"? It just so happens that at one time, this was a rather popular form of Fieldbus protocol. A large portion of distribution center automation uses this, including that in the USPS. Honeywell would like to forget it, but there remains significant 3rd party support. I'm not at all saying this is what's happening, but suppressing any mention of SDS is likely what Honeywell PR would like, as they don't make any money off of the old stuff. I might correct or update my original post if I had any idea how to get to it (my problem, not yours). I know you're trying to uphold some sort of stub standard, but for the life of me, I can't see what standard of "notability" exists beyond pure capriciousness. KazooOfTheNorth (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I was unclear. I'll try again. I told you that Smart Distributed System needs to pass notability requirements, and your response was "Honeywell IS a notable company". It sounds like you are asserting that if Smart Distributed System is made by a notable company, it must be notable. That concept is called "inherited notability" on Wikipedia, but the point is that notability is NOT inherited. You can add a link to Honeywell if it adds to the article, but it doesn't help with notability. You need to reference multiple secondary reliable sources with substantive discussion. For example, find a newspaper article talking about the product, and not just mentioning it in passing. --SPhilbrick T 23:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]