User talk:LMBBEL

ADEKUNLE ADEYEYE ARTICLE

Hi, @LMBBEL, I'm posting comment on your reversion of my changes re: Adekunle Adeyeye article, in accordance with WP:BRD. Could you take a look and let me know what you think? Thanks, SteveCree2 (talk) 20:12, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @LMBBEL, just copying my comments at the Adeyeye Talk Page here. Hope you're able to reply. all the best, Steve SteveCree2 (talk) 07:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Hi, @LMBBEL I see you've reverted my recent edit (see above) of this article. It is entirely appropriate, I think, that Adeyeye's status as a very rare black college principal is referred to in the introductory paragraph. It is also a notable detail that he is a college principal at a highly prestigious and ancient university with only 2% black students. It is a vanishingly rare phenomenon in the UK.

As I explain above, I removed references and corrected text to ensure that the references supported the text. Your new references 10, 11, 12 and 13 are incorrect. Specifically:

References 10 and 11: Your new text says: "The The Durham branch of the University and College Union released a statement condemning the alleged behaviour,[10] stating "If the behaviour is found to be as alleged, we regard it as shocking and cannot accept it as a union,[11]"

The quote is not part of the statement (i.e. reference 10), it is contained in a tweet which is now reference 11. This needs to be corrected.

The statement referenced at 10 includes: "we can’t comment on this particular case while the proceedings are ongoing". At reference 11, the tweet includes "if the behaviour is found to be as alleged". The union is clearly taking great care not to condemn Adeyeye while proceedings continue. It would be wholly inappropriate for any union to condemn a university employee while proceedings are still underway. It may even prejudice the proceedings, not least because Adeyeye may actually be represented by the union.

Reference 12: Your new text says: "the Durham Students' Union expressed solidarity with his alleged victims,[12]".

The actual reference does not say this. At the appropriate point, it reads: "We express solidarity with students and staff at Trevelyan College". Again, the Durham Students Union has been careful not to prejudge the outcome of present proceedings.

Reference 13: Your text reads: "numerous alumni pledged to withhold donations from Durham University over the issue". In context, 'the issue' clearly refers specifically to Adeyeye.

In fact, at reference 13, the title and first paragraph use the word 'after' rather than, say, 'because of' Adeyeye. This is a journalistic device designed to avoid prejudging the outcome, or suggesting that those providing comment are prejudging the outcome, of ongoing university proceedings. At the reference, two quotes are given from separate alumnus. One says: "this is a problem that goes deeper than just one college. As a result, I have cancelled my standing donation to the University". The other says: “I intend to withhold any further donations and involvement with the University until it can prove that it is truly dedicated to tackling these deep-rooted problems with bullying and misogyny.”

Both of these quotes explicitly avoid prejudging the specific case and explicitly refer to deeper problems within the university.

In conclusion, your citations 10-13 are incorrect. Each reference shows a responsible body expressing concern about an issue in the very general without passing specific comment on an ongoing process. I would like to revert this to my original form of words and would be more than happy to support changes once the present procedure involving Adeyeye has concluded. Can I have your agreement on this? Thanks, and all the best, SteveCree2 (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC)"

Hi, @LMBBEL Do you have any thoughts on the above? all the best,SteveCree2 (talk) 07:42, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]