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A late trout. :)[edit]

Hi, Special:Diff/869079692 may have caused someone with a conflict of interest to replace the entire article content by copyrighted promotion, just to remove the BLP violation. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Time to create an archive?[edit]

Hi, I currently need to use Special:PermanentLink to reliably link to the above section on your talk page. Any later replies are invisible to someone clicking the link. It may be helpful for others to be able to link to the section heading instead. ClueBot III automatically fixes such links throughout Wikipedia when moving sections to the archive. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

ToBeFree, I've been more-or-less active on Wikipedia for about four years now, but have always been too lazy to archive old messages. Is there an easy, automated way to archive messages I deleted? Lordtobi () 21:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Lordtobi, restoring the already-deleted messages may be difficult, but for future messages, the following ideas may be the easiest approach:
  • Try adding {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}} to any section that you would like to have removed, instead of deleting it -- when you look at the page the next day, the section will be magically gone. Face-smile.svg
  • If you don't like the relatively complex template at the top of the source code, and would prefer a really empty talk page instead, you may prefer deleting the template and using User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver instead.
The first solution does not require any further initial action and will "just work" whenever you like to. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:42, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
ToBeFree, thanks for the suggestion! I will work out archiving my old stuff first (restored 2015 and 2016 messages thus far), and possibly use the automatic config afterwards. Lordtobi () 13:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey Lordtobi, sorry for the late reply, I must have missed the ping. I like the archives, thank you for restoring and creating them! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:44, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Example section[edit]

Try adding the archival code here. :) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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Spliting discussion for Stranger Things[edit]

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The Verge[edit]

Hi, Lordtobi! You've been helpful with requests for several pages related to Vox Media. Might you be able to help with my (hopefully) final request for The Verge? See here, if you have a moment. Thank you! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 21:28, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Comparison Images from video games[edit]

Hi I hope you are fine yes, I uploaded comparison images! but what is the true way to upload?! unfortunately I am amateur. Thanks SepticSHSepticSH (talk) 21:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

SepticSH, as I mentioned previously you will need to go through Wikipedia's own procedure. To do so, find the link "Upload file" on the left-hand toolbar. There, on the right-hand side, choose from any of the three possibilities, though for newcomers, I suggest going through the "Files for upload process", where someone who operates on the matter routinely will give you a hand. Regards. Lordtobi () 21:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Quit Wiki[edit]

Hey Lordtobi it's me Peck Man1. How do I quit wiki with all my changes deleted. Peck Man1 (talk) 15:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Alphabet inc revert of millions -> billions[edit]

Hi, what the heck are you talking about with trillions? I changed an m to a b, as their financial statements clearly indicate they bring in 110 billion in revenue and 12 billion in profit -- not million. Could you explain your rationale? This is re this revert: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alphabet_Inc.&type=revision&diff=880324953&oldid=880324601 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:A45F:FA75:79A2:C179:B1A5:C5B (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

You changed the sentence to say that their revenue summed to "US$110,855 billion", that is "110 thousand, 855 hundered billion", equivalent to US$110.855 trillion. They are not seeing revenues in the trillions, especially not multiple hundereds of them. Lordtobi () 20:37, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah, I see where I've misunderstood -- thanks! I also didn't see your move of this to the bottom of the page, so I briefly also added a request for clarification to the article's talk before I found this, which I've now removed. I feel the use of "abc,xyz million" is very confusing -- the sidebar uses "abc.xyz billion", so my intent was just to make them use the same format. If you feel that would be a reasonable change, I'll go make it. 2607:FEA8:A45F:FA75:79A2:C179:B1A5:C5B (talk) 21:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
2607:FEA8:A45F:FA75:79A2:C179:B1A5:C5B, I see. If you wish, you can change it to billions, but this time remember to change the delimiter too Face-wink.svg. See also MOS:NUM. Regards. Lordtobi () 21:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

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Full Sail University[edit]

Hello, Lordtobi! User:PresN was able to help with the esports arena request, but I wanted to see if you saw my note to you here regarding mention of the campus size. Mentioning campus size seems fairly standard to me, but User:Justlettersandnumbers removed the claim from the article for some reason. I've provided several sources confirming the size. Might you be interested to share your thoughts on the article's talk page?

I've also asked User:PresN to contribute to the discussion, but no reply yet. Thanks, Inkian Jason (talk) 17:46, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, to be fair, I didn't receive the ping and the page is no longer on my watchlist so I didn't see your comment. Some editors tend to instantly turn down anything that looks remotely like a COI edit, no matter how well and guideline-conformant the request actually is, which has been the case here. However, I see PresN has already handeled your request duly, so I guess you require no further action from my side? Lordtobi () 18:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have provided an update, since PresN returned to offer feedback and update the article. I will be submitting additional requests soon, but do not require any specific assistance at the moment. Thanks for your willingness to help. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I've posted a new request here, if you're willing to take a look. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:36, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Inkian Jason, if you don't mind, I'd like to have this passed on to another editor. COI handling has mostly fallen out of my scope, and I'd like to do as little of it as possible. You and your colleagues can still ping me should have something about video games, video game companies, or Vox Media. Lordtobi () 23:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Of course, I understand, and thanks for all your help to date. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Universal Interactive[edit]

Hey there, we've not spoken in a while!

Have you managed to find any more sources for the page? I've been looking on their old website but there's not much on there. It appears that the site became a redirect to VU Games' site around October of 2003. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:12, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, unfortunately, no. I haven't looked every single day (obviously) but when I did there was nothing new, nor do I think that there will be anytime soon. As it stands, though, unsourced information should not be introduced at any cost. I'm considering simply merging it away, this will probably resolve a lot of issues. Lordtobi () 21:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Where would the games list go then if you did request for it to be merged? I’m guessing why is because of the recent unsourced edits from IP users of another company that creates video games and apps using the Universal branding. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:31, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
LTPHarry, the games list is entirely unsourced, so I don't think it's going anywhere. Lordtobi () 21:39, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
So basically, even if the company’s logo appears on a game cover, it’s not a reliable source no matter what. A few of their titles appear on the Universal Interactive website though, but not all of them. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
LTPHarry, basically, WP:OR. "They have their logo on their so clearly they published it." Fox Interactive did just that, licensing off games and as such printing their logo on the cover, yet they didn't publish them. We should at least have some sort of reliable secondary source to back it up. Lordtobi () 21:45, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
What about articles about the games they released? As for the licensing thing, UIS would own the game but license the publishing to another company e.g. Sony. right? Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
LTPHarry, if a game has an article, then surely it is sourced somewhere in that article that UI did indeed publish that game. If so, that source could just be reused, if not, why is it not? That shouldn't be unsourced. Lordtobi () 21:59, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Something to maybe replace the Universal Interactive page[edit]

I made a template featuring their titles, which could be a replacement for the company having it's own page. What do you think? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Universal_Interactive Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:45, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, that's not a bad idea, actually. I'll do the merge at a later point in time and will definetly consider your template in the process. Lordtobi () 13:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Want me to add it to the titles they published/licensed? I was thinking of doing one for Fox Interactive as well, as not much of the stuff they have on the page has any sources, but I don’t know yet. Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:51, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Vivendi Games subsidiaries[edit]

I've started a new draft at Draft:List of Vivendi Games subsidiaries. I've made it for pages that aren't worthy enough of their own article on this site, akin to the Acclaim one. Luigitehplumber (talk) 19:30, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, also a good idea. I won't interfere though, as I'm quite busy with other things. When you think the article is ready, let me know and I'll have a look over it. Lordtobi () 18:06, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Alrighty-O. Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I've added some more pages to the draft. Once you're more free could you help me with it? Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, the sections on the two Sierra Online substudios look a little shallow, don't you think? ;) Other than that, the Berkeley System section contains a lot of unsourced info, and you might want to look into having the list at least topic-complete (with all entries in there). Some sorting (e.g. Sierra Online under Sierra Entertainment) would probably make sense as it visualizes the hierarchy. Lordtobi () 23:23, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
I left it like that because I didn’t have enough time to remove them and add information related to the Sierra Online substudios. Luigitehplumber (talk) 23:56, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

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3 New 2K Studios[edit]

Hello, Lordtobi, i'm just letting you know that 2K now has 3 new studios under wraps. They established a new studio at their Novato campus to work on a new BioShock sometime in 2017. They acquired Mass Media Games sometime in Late 2018. Now, this year, they established a new studio in Silicon Valley. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 17:45, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Social Point (Parrot Games)[edit]

I found a website belonging to a company called 'Parrot Games'. When I clicked on their Privacy Policy, Terms of Service and Cookie Policy, they all direct me to Take-Two Interactive's Legal Notices. Here's the website: https://www.parrotgames.es/ UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 00:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, I am aware of this company and its website and I have looked into both before. It is subject to exactly zero reliable coverage, so we cannot include it. One cite, even in Spanish, would suffice but there just isn't. Lordtobi () 20:40, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Sierra Entertainment[edit]

Well, seems like the source you found recently fixes up the confusion. For the post-August 2004 Sierra branded titles, should I keep the publisher as "Vivendi Universal Games", "Vivendi Games" or "Activision" since Sierra wasn't really a full company anymore (and most back covers don't list Sierra as a publisher and only their parent company). Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, I reviewed several credits and Sierra appeared under separate management in most of them, adding up with the sources I found in post. Before deciding on a case-by-case basis (which would be a bad idea when looking at OR rules), we could as well revert to using Sierra everywhere appropriate. Lordtobi () 20:31, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
So, what should I do then even if the back covers say so or sometimes the copyright date? Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm saying, as the branding on some titles depends per region. In North America games are branded with the VU Games logo, while in Europe they're branded as Sierra, while in Japan the Sierra branding wasn't used at all. I'd say leave the Post-2004 titles and dual branded titles as that will just lead to a lot of confusion, as tecnically the games were published by Vivendi Universal. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
LTPHarry, in the legal sense, yes, all titles after 2004 were published by VUG because Sierra was no longer a legal entity. You might want to look into what reliable sources say. Lordtobi () 20:51, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Lordtobi, As for that situation, it's best if it's left alone for now unless, as you said, a reliable source is found. For the pre-2003 titles, i've left them alone (in-which they were anyways) but i've excluded the dual-branded titles like The Simpsons: Hit and Run for what I just said. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
LTPHarry, sounds reasonable. Lordtobi () 07:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Red Faction 3[edit]

I am not able to find a cancelled game by the name "Red Faction 3". The only game I found was "Red Faction: B.E.A.S.T.". It does not qualify as Volition game due to having a different developer, so I've added it to the Red Faction article. It's possible that "Red Faction 3" was the working title of "Red Faction: Guerilla" judging by the article at https://misstrade.wordpress.com/category/charts/page/22/ . Let me know if there's any other information about Volition you would like me to find out. Deltasim (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Deltasim, well, in Game Informer's documentary, Kulas breifly mentions RF3 at this timestamp. I don't think they revived a years-old project for Guerrilla, there must be something about it somewhere. Do you think this onemention alone would be sufficient for inclusion? Lordtobi () 13:31, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure. I'll have to watch the video again to find something I may have missed. If the third game crops up somewhere I can add it. In the meantime, I'll keep any eye out for any expansion packs and releases I may have missed out for the other Volition games. Deltasim (talk) 14:06, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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Lists[edit]

An edit summary is too small a space to explain.

Currently we have:

  • Sam Houser
  • (president)
  • Dan Houser
  • (vice-president for creative)
  • Jennifer Kolbe
  • (head of publishing)
  • Simon Ramsey
  • (head of PR and communications)

I changed this to:

  • Sam Houser
    (president)
  • Dan Houser
    (vice-president for creative)
  • Jennifer Kolbe
    (head of publishing)
  • Simon Ramsey
    (head of PR and communications)

The former is semantically dubious: it's a list of 1) a person, 2) that person's job title, 3) another person, 4) that other person's job title, etc. My version is 1) a person and his job title, 2) another person and his job title, etc. - that is, a list of persons, as it should be, where each is followed by their respective job title. The titles shouldn't be list entries in their own right because they're not people, that is, they don't belong in the list by themselves. The line breaks are just to preserve the breaks that were there before, on the assumption that some previous editor added them as a stylistic choice. You can replace them with a space if you object to them.

You say it "affects how it appears on mobile devices". First, if you actually check my edit history you'll see nearly all my edits are tagged as mobile edits. I know exactly how it looks on mobile because that's what I'm looking at when I edit. Second, my version looks better IMO precisely because it creates a clear gap between one job title and the next person. It's easier to read that way. Hairy Dude (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

This is completely improper, stop doing it. There are many mobile browsers and screen readers that deal with this poorly, and you've already been linked the relevant MOS guidelines that cover this. Because YOU don't have issue doesn't mean every device is good to go. -- ferret (talk) 16:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Note I'm only opposed to the mixed use of BR tags. For all I care, remove the pipes between person and title. Or do that, then wrap the title in nowrap so they'll end up on the next line. -- ferret (talk) 16:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
What's improper about it? The MOS guideline you linked to (MOS:VLIST), which I am already quite familiar with, relates to using <br> tags to build what looks like a list but semantically isn't, which is indeed an accessibility error. Said guideline says nothing about using break tags within list items for presentational reasons, which as far as I know is entirely unproblematic. What would have been improper is if I'd replaced the {{unbulleted list}} with a string of <br>s, which I pointedly did not. Note that {{nowrap}} and the nowrap class are explicitly disabled on mobile in infoboxes. Hairy Dude (talk) 16:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm coming from an overly strict reading of MOS:DTAB perhaps. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong though. It simply feels weird syntax-ly to me though. I'd rather remove the pipes between the items and just let them wrap as they'll wrap. -- ferret (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
To address what you said in an edit summary: "The whole point of the UBL template here is to avoid raw BR tags, as they cause accessibility issues". This is not the case. The issue is not the tags per se, but the poor semantics of using them to build lists. As I understand it (and I may be wrong here), screen readers simply ignore line breaks. Regardless, I've now applied a different way of solving the same problem that doesn't use breaks, which I've seen used elsewhere. Hairy Dude (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Simply speaking, <br /> tags are illegal in <li> members in HTML's basic syntax. This can render improperly on a lot of devices, especially many mobile devices. As Ferret said, just because you don't appear to have this issue doesn't mean nobody does. {{small}} and the related HTML tag are no alternative per WP:SMALL. Other than that, there is no need in semantcitiy in list templates; they don't have any internal logic, they just align items vertically. Readers with common sense will be able to tell person and job title apart. The list-separation of name and title are done for visual differentiation for desktop platforms. Lordtobi () 16:44, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
<br /> tags are illegal in <li> members in HTML's basic syntax No, they're not. --Izno (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Ah, seems like I remembered that incorrectly. So beyond the two guidelines, it boils down to merely personal preference. If utterly necessary this should be taken to MOS instead of achieving local consensus. Lordtobi () 19:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Karl Lagerfeld[edit]

Hi there, Not being funny, but are there actually any sources that confirm he died today, the 19th and that he died in Neuilly? This is fast evolving, but as I can see it, it was merely announced today. He may have died yesterday or earlier. Announcement and date of death do not necessarily match. We should not include a specific date until a reliable source explicitly confirms the date. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 12:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Jake Brockman, see the Aljazeera I added. He died this morning in the American Hospital of Paris (Neuilly-sur-Seine). Lordtobi () 12:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Hmmm.... According to Reuters, the source of that is a French celeb gossip magazine. Purepeople. Questionable, but I'll give up. :) pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 12:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Jake Brockman, Telegraph has a good breakdown of where what info comes from. Multiple sources report the same, sources are often not given. Should be right, though. Edit: Telegraph rephrased their article and their soces are no longer listed. Lordtobi () 12:44, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Lagerfeld's parents announced the birth of their son Karl Otto in 1933

I saw you added the alleged birthname "Lagerfeldt" to the article. Actually his parents announced his birth in 1933 clearly without that "t". The problem is that Lagerfeld loved to create "stories" around his own person, so even if there's a source - it's just a hoax. 2A02:8108:1340:5E70:497F:63D2:A37:11FD (talk) 16:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Let's continue this in the dedicated section on the article's talk page. Lordtobi () 16:09, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit[edit]

Hi - You just reverted my edit to clarify the location of The Lego Group.[[1]] Not all geographically challenged people know that Denmark and Danish are same thing. Knowing that, we want to be as helpful as possible. Can you clarify your reasoning for reverting me? Your edit summary was a bit unclear. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 07:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

timtempleton, there is only one city named Billund that is listed on Wikipedia, in addition to its municipality and airport. Whatever any reader might think when reading the article, they won't think of any other Billund than the one in Denmark, because there isn't any other. In the rare case someone fond of the English does not bridge "Danish" to "Denmark" (do they think The Lego Group is a sweet dish?) they can still click on the Billund link. It is generally expected, though, that the casual enwiki reader (who speaks English), and at the same time know what Danes are, can make the Denmark connection. Lordtobi () 07:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Completely disagree with your expectations for intelligence among US readers - you know that we elected Trump, don't you? ;-) Your way requires an extra click or loading the mouseover utility - not efficient. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 07:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Hm, that's a strong argument. Yet, there is just one Billund on Wikipedia (it's just errorneously disambiguated). I'll have to see whether there is a guideline on this. Lordtobi () 07:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Daily Mail[edit]

is bad as Wikipedia as well, my dear! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.164.249.224 (talk) 16:49, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

February 2019[edit]

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Your recent editing history at 4A Games shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Reminder that edit wars go both ways -- ferret (talk) 17:29, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Careers Pages[edit]

Why're careers pages not reliable sources? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 13:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)