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New Page Triage engagement strategy released

Hey guys!

I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox -

It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Wildbot notices


The list is reaching 1,300 talk pages. Maybe Yobot could have another go at it. — Dispenser 22:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll run this task in the next 4-5 days. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Doing... -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 Done -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

basketball player

i merged "infobox basketball player" with "infobox basketball biography" by making the biography template backwards compatible. however, there are a couple things that should be cleaned up so we can simplify the biography code.

  1. check what links here for "Template:Infobox basketball biography/team parameter linked" and either do this or this
  2. While you are at it, might as well do this if it's empty since the field is somewhat controversial, and the same for |agent=).
  3. Also, if you see |halloffame= and it's empty, then remove it. I should be able to do this one myself, since there aren't that many. they need to be converted to another field name if they aren't empty.

thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

OK. I'll do but I don't like this |team_link=. I don't like when infoboxes introduce brackets alone. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
this is the method used by the infobox to allow the link to have the same colour as the other text in the header. I agree that it's not the most transparent in terms of functionality. If you really don't like it, then we can start a thread on the talk page to discuss alternatives? Frietjes (talk) 16:21, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Please do and I'll follow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I started by removing |nickname= and |halloffame= when empty. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done Magioladitis (talk) 19:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Skip if only whitespace is changed


Hi Magioladitis! You may want to set up Yobot to skip if only whitespace is changed to avoid edits such as this diff. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

What's with this edit: ? Josh Parris 22:11, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

OK. I set up Yobot to skip if only whitespace is changed but this effects edits that whitespace sometimes is really needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Is one of the CHECKWIKI error fixes to fix whitespace? If so, I retract my comment. GoingBatty (talk) 22:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Removing whitespace inside or around links and/or references for example... Our code is naive. It removes any whitespace before and after general fixes and compares the two versions. If they are the same it skips. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I also don't see as helping any. Josh Parris 22:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't know how to avoid this one. It's whitespace and interwiki move. Moreover, the edit of the hatnote triggers the hatnote procedure. I don't expect many of this though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:20, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Just saw this edit. Perhaps the "did anything useful change?" check needs to run before bypassing template redirects? Why is it even bypassing arbitrary template redirects? I see, someone arbitrarily added it to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Template redirects. That has got to be one of the most-abused things around. Anomie 22:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
"Further" was re-purposed that's why I updated the Template Redirects list. I asked for making redirects bypassing optional. I hope this will happen soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Check my reply above. A little patient and in the future there will be no such problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
A little bit stopping now. and are other meaningless edits. Under what BRFA is the bot editing? Josh Parris 00:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
BRFA 16 to fix CHECKWIKI error 61 (references after punctuation) and more. There were 110k pages with unknown status since 2010 (i.e. old list). I thought running Yobot in the first 30k entries which I obtained fro the server almost manually (I loaded 600 pages with 500 items each manually and saved them in a single file) would be efficient. Obsiously is not. I forced emptied the list and hopefully the new entries will all really contain this error. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I have reviewed BRFA 61. It does not permit or or as such Yobot is editing outside of approval. You are repeatedly ignoring requests and demands to stop editing. Josh Parris 22:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Can I make a suggestion? Don't edit with AWB if AWB can't keep it's hands away from making meaningless edits. Josh Parris 23:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I have to say I agree with Josh. These aren't time sensitive fixes: and if we learnt anything from the Smackbot experience, it's that trivial changes are really, really worth avoiding. So I think it really would be worth not running the bot until the percentage of trivial edits gets far closer to 0 than it seems to be at present. It'll only end in tears otherwise. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 23:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
The number of pages fixed compared to the pages than nothing really happens is much bigger than 1 or 2 years ago. AWB reached 8000+ revisions full f bugs fixes and logic improvement. Imagine how was the situation 2000 revisions ago in January 2010. Thanks to mass editing I was able to spot and fix dozens of bugs in a time much faster than expected. The feature of redirect bypassing is rather new and is still a subject of improvement. I am always here fixing bugs, improving, discussing, reporting every single problem. I am also reporting bugs to other applications or projects like HOTCAT and CHECKWIKI. I only beg for some patient. I wouldn't like to abandon bot editing completely due to a (small) number of cases. Yes, the number is small compared to the number of important fixes. The next time we get a new database dump there will be dozens of thousands edits on (semi)important issues. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:28, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Sure, it's got better, but you're still dicing with death. If you just waited for the improvements to be made first, then performed the bot edits, then we could avoid all the stressiness that results every time a bot make trivial edits. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 17:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
If I waited most of the improvements would never have been done. Most of them are complains about my bot :) It's true I get a lot of stress everytime someone stops or especially blocks my bot and I don't know if it's worth because I have to admit it damaged my health a bit. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Changes to My Grandfather's Page?


Hi, Mag. I was checking out my grandfather's page (Mike Sebastian) and I noticed that you had made some changes. I don't have a problem with any changes you made but I was curious as to what your interest may have been?

Thanks, Mike Sebastian III — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ms33 (talkcontribs) 15:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I am trying to fix every possible syntax error. I am improve every single pages that needs improvement. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:11, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Error in AWB 8032


I just jumped from AWB 8000 to 8032. I'm getting an error with the code User:Yobot/Task 17.

Error is "Line 95, col 52 No overload for method 'MakeHumanCatKey' takes '1' argument.

Bgwhite (talk) 04:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Code updated by Rjw. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you to the both of you. Well, just to Magioladitis. Rjwilmsi is a bot, so it doesn't having feelings. Bgwhite (talk) 20:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
LOL. -- Magioladitis (talk)

References outside parentheses

While I remember... I don't know if this is possible, but have AWB move <ref> after a ). I see this most of in birth/death date in the lead of an article. Example: (May 1, 2000 - May 30, 2050<ref>...</ref>)
There could be complications if there are more than one ref inside the parentheses and I'm probably missing some unintended consequences. Is this doable to where I should file a bug/feature report? Bgwhite (talk) 20:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Can you please provide an example of what should AWB do in this case? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
(May 1, 2000 - May 30, 2050<ref>...</ref>)  -->  (May 1, 2000 - May 30, 2050)<ref>...</ref>
An example page is Claes Malmberg Bgwhite (talk) 22:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Um, just TPS-ing here, but why would you want to do that? I used refs inside brackets all the time to illustrate that the reference specifically cites the content inside the brackets, such as birth/death date. Why would you change that? Maybe I misunderstand though, it's late and I'm tired :) - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 23:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Link: Wikipedia:REFPUNC#cite_note-3. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 23:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
If I'm reading it correctly, it says to put the ref outside the parentheses except "it may on rare occasion be more appropriate to place the number inside the closing parenthesis". Also says the only time to put a ref before a punctuation mark is the dash. Bgwhite (talk) 23:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
"on rare occasion" is enough for the bot not to be doing it. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 17:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Where in the world was bot ever mentioned? It wasn't. We are talking about manual edits with AWB. Bgwhite (talk) 05:07, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
That's my fault for misunderstanding, sorry. I saw Yobot mentioned and assumed you were reusing the code as a bot. but would you really move the ref outside of the birthdate/deathdate brackets? Surely it's better left inside the brackets. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 14:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

← ← ←

  1. It is per MOS via Wikipedia:REFPUNC#cite_note-3 that the reference be moved outside the parentheses.
  2. I see it most as this: (May 1900 - June 19501)    Where the ref applies to both the birthdate and deathdate. This is really egregious because of the dash... MOS says the ref is only for the deathdate and it appears that there is no ref for the birthdate. With the ref outside the parentheses, it covers both dates.
  3. The birth/death date is not the only place it happens as it can be anywhere throughout the body of the text. In the body, it is usually text and not dates inside the parentheses. It is very hard to spot manually, so I rarely catch it.

On a side note, you would think I could spell "parentheses" after typing it in so many time. Egads, I'll never get it right. Bgwhite (talk) 05:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I have to say I disagree. "Where a reference or other footnote applies only to material within a parenthetical phrase, placing the tag within the closing parenthesis may be appropriate". I mean, basically I read your example differently, taking the citation to apply to the whole contents of the brackets. I can't find where in the in MOS it says that that presentation implies the cite applies only to the deathdate. I assume it hinges on your interpretation of "dash" in WP:REFPUNC, which I have always taken to exclude range dashes (and hence leaving only parenthetical ones). I use spellcheck :) - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 09:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Please note may be appropriate. It doesn't say always. It is appropriate in the example given because one ref is for Japanese text and the other for the Korean text... (Korean: 김정은;[10] Hanja: 金正恩[11]) It is also appropriate when a ref is used for birthdate and another is used for deathdate. (May 1900 - June 19501)
Nowhere is there a rule that says always inside a parenthesis. Nowhere is there a rule that says never outside. I quote, "The rule is the reference follows the closing parenthesis, but there are rare exceptions..." The exceptions are given in the examples above. The exceptions are your maybe quote. I don't know how more clearly one can state "follows the closing parenthesis". Bgwhite (talk) 20:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
I've always read that to mean in most cases, the reference will refer to the contents of the brackets and other content, so should be outside the brackets. I could be wrong though. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 20:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Yobot and 'Art'

Is there a way to stop yobot from removing the guillemets in the French title of 'Art' (in two of the references)? They are actually part of the title of the play. It has done it three times now. Thanks --ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Check AWB's bugs' page and Rjw's response there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Synchro seems awfully specific for a partner field


I have made some suggestions at Template talk:Infobox sportsperson#partner and formerpartner. we should make this applicable to other sports with partners. Frietjes (talk) 20:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Go ahead and I'll update the pages if needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Now it's fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC)



Just out of curiosity… Who exactly was the “One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page” at Template:Redirectshere? Thanks --Mormegil (talk) 21:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

In the talk page (which I deleted too) Cuddly Panda the editor who created that page requested to be deleted back in... 2007 as a duplicate of "redirect". I wonder why nobody noticed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Journalist or Person?


Hi, thanks for correcting some of my mistakes. For future record, is "journalist" a valid infobox type? --Salimfadhley (talk) 23:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox journalist is only a redirect of Infobox person. Journalists use infobox person now. Prefer to use Infobox person. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC)



Can I please ask you to look at this and give your opinion on the change? This issue originally came up last August, and has popped up again. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 12:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Is there a consensus to the "not add wikify to stubs"? Can you please add it to the template's manual? Moreover, what we do if there is a wikify tag in a stub with no parameters?-- Magioladitis (talk) 13:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm not saying there is consensus to completely not add {{wikify}} to stubs, so the template's manual doesn't apply. I'm saying that AWB shouldn't offer the option, since most people won't check if it's really needed. If they want to add it manually with Twinkle, that's another thing. However, the algorithm AWB uses to add {{wikify}} really doesn't apply to stubs. If a stub has been tagged with {{wikify}}, just leave it. It isn't hurting, especially if it was added manually. Personally, I don't think AWB should be removing {{wikify}} tags at all but that's a completely separate discussion. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:30, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── So is this change possible? Is there another place I should ask? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I have this problem in mind already. I think Template talk:Wikify is the best place to discuss. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't mean to be a d*ck, but do you have any actual objections to this? I don't think there's anything to discuss at TT:Wikify. This change would not modify {{wikify}}, and we already have consensus from the people who would comment there (the original discussions from months ago). Seriously, is there a better place to ask? I understand you are busy, so if I should go to someone else... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you in fact but the problem I noticed with wikify is that there was never an actual standard when to add or remove. I informed the other devs about your comment here but they are hesitating to implement it because so far we were just implementing everything we were asked to and the result was to change the wikify criteria many times. I also asked for options to disactivate wikify tag/untag but nobody implemented yet and I am not an expert programmer. I ensure if I could do it myself I would have already done. I think we need a stable consensus on the matter of wikifycation. I tried in the past by participating in the transformation of the template and by creating more explicit templates but there is still work to be done. I think the main problem in not that we have many or few articles with tags but that we don't know what to actually do with them. I wish I could participate more and help on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in responding. I understand your concerns about the non-existent standard; that's one of the biggest issues with {{wikify}} and creates constant problems. However, I think that this change will help to solidify exactly what we are talking about. A lot of people believe that wikification either just refers to a lack of links or can be put on any article that looks vaguely bad. Unfortunately, AWB somewhat furthers the first idea because of the algorithm it uses (it only takes links into consideration). What this means is that articles that already are properly wikified get the template because they don't have enough links. Obviously this is especially prevalent with stubs, so we have proposed that stubs don't get the wikify tag at all. There are other ways to add {{wikify}} (Twinkle, manually), so this isn't that big a deal. Until AWB takes more then just links into the equation though, I don't believe it can accurately judge the wikification of stubs.
Now, who exactly are the other devs? You don't have to tell me, of course, but I've come to you since you're the only editor I know who helps with the backstage work of AWB. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I think the best is to leave a wake up comment in Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser and also contact User:Rjwilmsi and User:Reedy. I share many of your concerns. Maybe during the summer I will be able to help more on the direction f improving both the wikify tag and the AWB algorithm. In fact, these are two items in my to-do list for this year. Unfortunately, some things go slow in Wikipedia. The community acted very fast for some cleanup tags but not for all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for your help! I'll post an invitation for a general "AWB and {{wikify}}" discussion there later on. Again, much appreciated. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

{{Wikify}} was sent to TfD and the result was to deprecate it. Now there is a new discussion how to imlement a different strategy foe wikification. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB edits

What is the motivation for edits like [1]? According to your contribs you have made 50 edits in the last 5m10s, which seems like an amazing edit rate to be checking all the edits. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:32, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

This one [2] actually broke something: by removing a space you left two words touching each other. The article was fine before you edited it... — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Give me a minute to check them. I tried to normalise the infoboxes about persons. I finished with scientists. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
There was no space before neither. I added the space now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
There was a space, because the space in the link acts like one: link salad has the same output as link salad. Also the infobox on that article is fine and does not need to be "normalized". It is not appropriate to edits large numbers of article solely to bypass redirects. Your most recent edits all appeared to be bypassing the same Football infobox, for example, which is not an appropriate use of AWB. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Using the original name will enable me to run and remove image_size from pages with no images in infobox, move images inside the infobox, add birth and death dates. There are 100+ infoboxes and dozens of redirects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
The Football one you were replacing has about 3500 transclusions [3] - far too many to go through and just change them all on a whim. Also, there is no problem with having image_size without an image anyway, it has no effect. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Until someone adds an image and forgets the old image_size or even worse the old caption (Yes, I've seen some of those). -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
That is their responsibility, though. Also, bypassing redirects is unrelated to this, since you can edit the infoboxes (assuming you have bot approval...) without bypassing them. Just treat every redirect to an infobox as another infobox template. But you cannot edit thousands of pages without bot approval just to bypass the rediects. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I am sure that you know that edits such as [4] violate the AWB rules of use, which do not permit AWB edits that only bypass redirects. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Check by RfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:58, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
and... wait! I didn't use awb! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
If the template is at RFD it should not be orphaned before the RFD is closed. I realize the edit didn't have an AWB edit summary, but I wanted to point it out. Here are a few other recent edits you made with AWB that break the rule: [5] [6] [7]. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
all of them would need to have their parameter names updated soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I have no idea what you mean about updating parameter names, but I am sure it can be done without violating the AWB rules. For example, once you get bot approval to change the parameter names, you can simply do that without changing the redirect used to load the infobox. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:24, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Multiple similar RfDs


Hello! Next time you would want to nominate several redirects for the same rationale, please nominate them under the common section using {{rfd2}} for the first and {{rfd2m}} for consequent nominations. See details at WP:RFD#HOWTO. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 21:20, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Multiple RfDs was always a mystery for me. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

AWB revision 8039


Hey Magio,

if you svn up and build yourself a version of AWB after rev 8039, you'll find a new Skip option "Only cosmetic changes are made", designed to avoid making edits when interwikis are moved, template redirects, etc. (to be used in addition to whitespace and casing). Do try it out, and tell me any bugs you find. In particular, see if it slows editing down particularly.

Regards, - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 21:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jarry! Thanks for your contributions to the code. I get a bug immediatelly after trying to start processing the first article of my list: Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#UriFormatException_in_AsyncApiEdit.CallEvent. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Mea culpa. Should be fixed in r8043. Try now :) - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 19:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll give it a try. Btw, I would like to give an example where the rendered page is the same but the code readability changes: [8]. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
That falls squarely under COSMETICBOT IMHO - nice to have, but shouldn't be the sole change in any given edit. Do you disagree? - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 21:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Improving code readability is not a small issue and it should be underestimated. Moreover, I noticed that this skip option will limit Yobot not to fix some CHECKWIKI errors or even not fix things already fixed by FrescoBot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Can you give tangible examples? I'm sympathetic on the code readability front, but I'm quite happy with what COSMETICBOT say at the moment i.e. that bots should not solely be improving code readability with any given edit. In other words, there are going to be some CHECKWIKI problems which cannot be used as the basis for a bot run (but can be tagged on at the end), and others which can be used as the core of an edit. Surely the latter category is enough t keep you busy for a few months at least? - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 16:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Was the appropriate option checked for this edit with r8041, or is another rev required? Josh Parris 10:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
8043 will fix this. I 'll check as soon as I have some free time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I need Reedy to build this for me. Right now my laptop is out of order. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:59, 1 April 2012 (UTC) - is that a built one? Josh Parris 02:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Cool! Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I loaded 500 pages with "skip if only cosmetic chnages are made". Let's see the results. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I just added "skip if whitespace/casing is changed" as suggested. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

There are still complains by editors (as I was expecting). -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I need a 8050+ revision. Jarry fixed some more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Today running with 8052. Let's see. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Nice to meet you


Hello, I'm a Chinese. Don't worry I can speak English but not very well. But I still want to try to join in English Wikipedia, will you agree? --2D-2R (talk) 00:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Of course! Anyone can help the way they can. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok! I will do the best I can, thank you for your agree. --2D-2R (talk) 00:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted

I invite you to the yearly Berlin hackathon, 1-3 June. Registration is now open. If you need financial assistance or help with visa or hotel, then please register by May 1st and mention it in the registration form.

This is the premier event for the MediaWiki and Wikimedia technical community. We'll be hacking, designing, teaching, and socialising, primarily talking about ResourceLoader and Gadgets (extending functionality with JavaScript), the switch to Lua for templates, Wikidata, and Wikimedia Labs.

We want to bring 100-150 people together, including lots of people who have not attended such events before. User scripts, gadgets, API use, Toolserver, Wikimedia Labs, mobile, structured data, templates -- if you are into any of these things, we want you to come!

I also thought you might want to know about other upcoming events where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, how to best use the web API for bots, and various upcoming features and changes. We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing.

Check out the the developers' days preceding Wikimania in July in Washington, DC and our other events.

Best wishes! - Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator. Please reply on my talk page, here or at Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Volunteer Development Coordinator 02:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I couln't make it for the Berlin Hackathon but I was busy with my work in Greece. Hackathon in Washington DC was a great experience and a got opportunity to present autoWikiBroswer. I hope I get the chance to participate in more Hackathons! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox military person


If you have a chance, would you please respond to the header size and new parameter requests at Template talk:Infobox military person. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 04:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Commented there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Nasdaq template


Although I hesitate to do these things, I have undone your unilateral and inappropriate orphaning of the nasdaq2 template.

First, it is disingenuous to orphan a template yourself and then immediately nominate it for deletion with the justification that it is orphaned. That gives a false impression that the template was orphaned naturally which will bias the deletion vote, and orphaning the templat prematurely prejudges the outcome of the discussion. A bot will orphan the template itself after a successful TFD.

Second, many of the edits you made were patent violations of the AWB rules against using AWB for the purpose of bypassing redirects.

I know that I have raised both of these issue with you before, while refraining for undoing those edits. However, as you have continued to perform these tasks, I am willing to use my editorial discretion under WP:BRD to undo them. You need to have consensus before you make any more of these large-scale AWB runs to orphan templates. — Carl (CBM · talk) 15:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I reverted most of your edits since they were blind undoes only to upset me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a consensus to use original name of a template when it's simplier than the redirect. This redirect is only the result of an incomplete move. Everything I sent for deletion in the past of this kind was deleted by consensus. Next time ask before act. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

[9] This show that they were not only blind undoes but you also restored something that the Manual of Style says it should not be done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I have opened a thread at ANI [10]. Actually, I tried preserve the case change, but apparently I undid the edits twice. But blond undos are perfectly acceptable given that the edits themselves were blindly made with AWB, and could easily be made again with AWB without bypassing the templates. — Carl (CBM · talk) 15:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
I replied to your ANi already. It seems you try to cause drama and this not the first time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

[11] I did this edit manually to standardise the Hatnote. It seems you didn't notice that neither. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Nasdaq2 has been deleted via RfD like all other xxxx2 redirects. It's nice to see that it has been deleted even it was not orphan and that the community supported the deletion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Yobot tagging dab page as stub


Hallo, Yobot added {{stub}} to L. aromatica, presumably not recognising the specialised dab template of {{Species Latin name abbreviation disambiguation}}. (Or maybe it's a nonstandard dab template which isn't registered in some list of dab templates...). PamD 15:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I can easily fix this. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
rev 8286 fixes it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


If your going to fix 'en dash' issues on articles, how about you fix them all and not just one of them... The 'fixes' you've done to the following pages have done nothing except make the tables look non-uniform due to the date formats now being different throughout the tables.

[12] [13] [14] [15]

Can I suggest you look into this and either fix all of the 'dash' to 'en dash' s or none of them?

Thanks - Happysailor (Talk) 19:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll ask User:Rjwilmsi who implemented this procedure for a comment. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of History and branches of Judaism for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article History and branches of Judaism is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History and branches of Judaism until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Checkwiki error 16

Find Unicode control characters. This could be a problem inside a template. It's easily fixed AutoEd, but difficult by hand. AWB doesn't fix this error yet. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Random notes for me:

  1. AutoEd seems not to handle Jainism in the United States, Slavic peoples correctly.
  2. It turns that we need a combination of AutoEd and AWB to clean up a page 100%. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:05, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

changes to page


Re: Peter Proctor. Oops. I slipped up. Did not intend to delete out categories while doing changes to this page in my sandbox, to avoid cluttering up the history. Anyway, I have reverted to my version, while reinserting your changes (I hope). Feel free to edit this page, but please do not revert. Nucleophilic (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I fixed the categories again.-- Magioladitis (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Beatles infobox


There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 01:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

AWB access


Just wondeering but do I need to do anything special to get my AWB access restored. I have started to muck about again, not sure for how long or how much I am going to do yet but I was going to just live without it but I have found that editing without it to be too timeconsuming and too much of a hassle. Kumioko (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Your AWB access has been restored by The Blade of the Northern Lights. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


It's interesting to remark that the number of pages with CHECKWIKI errors goes up and down which means that editors do fix these errors. I wonder if the solely do it or they do more stuff at the the same time. I am almost sure that there editors who solely fix CHECKWIKI errors judging by the number of editors who participate in the project. So then why only prohibit Yobot from doing this task? Doing this task by a bot is better since the edit can be hidden, it contains less risk of human error and helps AWB's code improve. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I personally have used AWB manually to solely fix CHECHWIKI errors. So, count me in as one of "those" editors. Bgwhite (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Template redirects

Remark: I keep removing tempplate redirects from AWB's page while many editors keep adding. This means specific redirect skipping has partial(?) consensus in the community and I am not the one who forces redirect skipping. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


There appear to be only about 1590 articles using the deprecated italics mark-up. I think it would be worthwhile trying to get some consensus to improve the readability of wikicode, since this is barrier to entry,and a lot of this minor stuff could be cleared away with little or no problem. Rich Farmbrough, 08:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC).

Where is this list? I could probably help on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

A neat new gadget you might find useful

I recently asked on Village pump (technical) if someone could write a script that would allow the corresponding talk page or main page to be displayed when viewing articles in a category. User:Equazcion was kind enough to build it. The script can be found here. The script also shows in red if the corresponding page has not been created yet. I have found it to be very useful and wanted to share it. Kumioko (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Lock on Prince Ludwig Rudolph of Hanover


Please remove the lock on the Prince Ludwig Rudolph of Hanover article. The dispute to which you referred on the talk page when you locked the page was resolved many months ago: the chief disputant, Clumpytree, was indefinitely blocked from editing Wikipedia in September 2011. Thanks. FactStraight (talk) 08:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done Good luck and happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC)



89, 90 and 91 are no longer relevant to en:wp. All the best. Rich Farmbrough, 12:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC).

Updated. Cheers, Magioladitis (talk) 09:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Sort key for Asian names

In case Yobot gets approved again, please fix the DEFAULTSORT that it picks for Asian names; this was wrong. There were two clues that it could have used to determine the family name: the {{Chinese name}} template, and the 'Listas' parameter on the talk page, which is used by Defaultsortbot e.g. here. (I looked through the archive in case this issue had come up already, but didn't see it.) – Fayenatic London (talk) 19:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

You are talking about a year-old edit. The latest version of AWB had this change made, "Improve DEFAULTSORT generation using {{X name}} templates from Category:Surname clarification templates". Also, listas is not a good judge as to what defaultsort should be and visa versa. The number of editors who are not aware of all the sorting rules runs around 100% of all editors. I wrote the book (WP:NAMESORT) on some of the sorting rules and I don't have clue on some names. The number of Chinese articles, with manual edits and the wrong order for defaultsort or listas, is high. Bgwhite (talk) 21:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I reported this as an AWB bug in February, and it was fixed in March. GoingBatty (talk) 23:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, thank you both, keep up the good work! – Fayenatic London (talk) 07:41, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Request for unblock user


I agree that the behaviour of Pyraechmes in Greek Wikipedia shows clearly that this user is no longer the same person who was banned. I support the request to unblock him. Please notify me if an opinion is needed elsewhere. --FocalPoint (talk) 20:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Editor unblocked. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

You've got Email


I sent you an Email. Kumioko (talk) 00:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Infobox comics creator

Instead of immediately reverting a change that didn't break anything, you could've asked what the stuff you didn't understand means first.

It was copied directly out of {{Infobox writer}}. What it does is, if someone adds, for example, "????" or "19??" for a birthdate, it displays "date of birth unknown" rather than the input gibberish. It's actually a pretty simple switch, if you take the time to read it. CüRlyTüRkeyTalkContribs 23:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. In fact I didn't just revert your edit but I proposed a solution that I thought it's better. I don't have strong feelings on this switch you added but I would prefer if infobxes stayed clean and simple at least until we find a way to treat them alltogether with the same manner. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I'd seen your revert of my change, but before you added back in the birth name. That ended up re-breaking the box, which I thought was pretty drastic for having added "things which [you] dont understand". CüRlyTüRkeyTalkContribs 23:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
My aplogies for the edit summary. I meant that I don't see the need of the switches. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

A small cup of coffee.JPG Hey, thanks for your help with AWB. I installed the latest version and now no more error message. Cheers. Braincricket (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Extremely minor and tedious little complaint


I appreciate the your cleanup efforts, but please try to avoid edits such as this, that make no visible change to articles, as they waste page watchers' time and complicate page histories unnecessarily. Thanks. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 00:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

This is what I am working to achieve. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:15, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB SVN 8088


Hi Magioladitis! I see you're using AWB SVN 8088. Are you able to post the SVN at ? I've asked Reedy, but did not receive a response. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

New snapshot is online now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you - I hope to try it out this weekend. GoingBatty (talk) 02:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)



I just wanted to say have a good flight and see you next week maybe. Kumioko (talk) 02:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I really hope we are meeting each other next week. There is so much to discuss. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
I am in NYC right now. I am coming with a Wikibus to DC tomorrow. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:01, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Cool, I didn't know you were already in the states. I work in DC and live nearby so I'm already in town. :-)Kumioko (talk) 03:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Kingboyk plugin

Greetings Magio, I hope your enjoying your visit to DC. I have been trying to use the plugin the last couple of days and I just wanted to suggest a couple of improvements to the plugin.

  1. First, it doesn't work. Nothing I do makes that plugin work, I either get errors or it shuts down AWB completely, no errors, no beeps or warnings, just closed.
  2. Next, can you add in a way to more easily add a list of articles and its talk page together? In trying to make the application work I have found that its extremely difficult to get a list of articles with its talk page directly after it.

The following only partially relate to the plugin

  1. In AWB there are multiple places where it asks to alphabetize the article list, none seem to be connected so when I change it in one location the others aren't associated.
  2. Same thing with non article content. You can change it by hitting the button next to the list, in the list comparer or on the menu under tools I think. None seem to affect the other and this can at times be confusing and frustrating.

Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 19:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not experiencing any problems with the Kingboyk plugin. I'm using SVN8062. Maybe try cleaning out your settings first?
I have two AWBs open at all times. One for the talk page and the other for the article. Works out extremely well for me. Alot of times it can take a bit of time to save. So, while the talk page is saving, I can be looking at the next article's main page in the other AWB.
I'm not sure what you mean about alphabetizing questions. Bgwhite (talk) 20:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Bgwhite. It seems you hvve some old settings loaded. You need to resave your settings files and delete the really old ones. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:29, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I have 8062 as well. I've tried about everything. Even downloaded a whole new AWB SVN into a separate folder with no settings or anything. Just a blank AWB and still no go. When you say you have 2 versions how dowes the plugin know? When the plugin tries to process on mine and doesn't hit the talk page I get an error after it reads the mainspace article that it expected to see a talk page and asks if my list is messed up.
For the Alphebetizing question there is a checkbox under Filter for keep alphabetized and also under the same for List comparer. Then under list on the main menu it says it as well. If you uncheck it in one place you also need to check it in the others. There not linked so if you want to alphabetize or unalphabetize you always have to uncheck in like 4 places.
Same for remove non space, you always have to check like 4 or 5 places and it seems a little unnecessary to me. Kumioko (talk) 20:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
By default, the settings don't get saved in the same folder as AWB. So, if you have two different AWB folders, by default they use the same settings file. It is in a hidden folder on Windows. Mine is C:\Users\Bgwhite\AppData\Local\AutoWikiBrowser\default.xml
I have one AWB only for talk pages and another only for the articles. So, the talk page AWB is the only one with the plugin and module running. I copy the listing from one AWB to the other and then hit list -> convert to/from talk page. On mine, if the talk page AWB hits a mainspace article, it skips the article. Sometimes one AWB won't save and just reloads the page or just skips the page entirely while the other AWB doesn't. I don't always catch it right away. So, sometimes 3-4 articles later, it dawns on me and I have to go back and fix the ones I goofed on.
For the Alphebetizing question... I always have checked the checkbox under Filter to keep alphabetized. This setting only works on pages you have loaded via the "make list" button. It doesn't work if you are copy-pasting a list. The option under List on the main menu, I only manually use this if I copy-pasted a list. To me, this is good feature because copy-pasting a list that you retrieved from a category page can contain non articles.... Letters A, B, C, etc. All the talk pages will be sorted under T for talk, while the non articles are sorted regularly. While in the other AWB, the same copied list doesn't have talk pages, so everything is sorted regularly. This cause the two AWB lists to be sorted differently.Bgwhite (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Jack Dempsey


Please check it. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 23:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I ran AWB on this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


Golomb ruler. Rich Farmbrough, 17:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC).



You left your mouse, I have it. Rich Farmbrough, 21:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC).

Your mouse is in the dining room. Rich Farmbrough, 04:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC).
You are upstairs and bringing it to me. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Your mouse is at D119. Rich Farmbrough, 12:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC).

Project Banners & removing nested

Just to let you know that Yobot had a small problem when removing nested from banners on 5 talk pages. Here's a list of my fixes so just in case it might help fix the problem with Yobot for next time. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing these. I knew the problem but I didn't know the source of the problem. It seems nested parameter is the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Related - this edit removed |nested=yes from {{ArchaeologyWikiProject}}, but not from the other three. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
I see 2 problems. 1 the code to remove nested isn't counting the space between nested and = and Archaelogy didn't get replaced with WikiProject Archaeology. I am fixing both right now... I hope. Kumioko (talk) 23:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Unusual biography

Abul-Abbas is an interesting choice to be tagged as a biography. Gave me a chuckle. A British army member (a tortoise) was included as a biography a few months back. I think Kumioko‎ was involved with that discussion. What is triggering Abul-Abbas to put it on a list of biographies? Bgwhite (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Wikipedia pages

Dear Author/Magioladitis

My name is Nuša Farič and I am a Health Psychology MSc student at the University College London (UCL). I am currently running a quantitative study entitled Who edits health-related Wikipedia pages and why? I am interested in the editorial experience of people who edit health-related Wikipedia pages. I am interested to learn more about the authors of health-related pages on Wikipedia and what motivations they have for doing so. I am currently contacting the authors of randomly selected articles and I noticed that someone at this address recently edited an article on2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak. I would like to ask you a few questions about you and your experience of editing the above mentioned article and or other health-related articles. If you would like more information about the project, please visit my user page ( and if interested, please reply via my talk page or e-mail me on Also, others interested in the study may contact me! If I do not hear back from you I will not contact this account again. Thank you very much in advance. Hydra Rain (talk) 12:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Elaine Shemilt talk page


I noticed today that Yobot created a talk page at Talk:Elaine shemilt. Elaine shemilt is a redirect to Elaine Shemilt, left over from a move to correct capitalisation of the name. (Actually there is no real reason to keep that redirect, I suppose). I assume it is an issue with the bot adding talk to biographies from an old list, but the move was almost a week ago, so I wanted to check what cuased it before moving the talk page also. --Qetuth (talk) 14:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. I have to get faster to avoid this problem I presume. The list is based on a database dump. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:33, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Start date template

Here is my BOTREQ to fix up metadata in infoboxes, by applying {{Start date}}. Can you help, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Nonfree content on your userpage

Per the policies on the usage of non-free images on Wikipedia, non-free images are not allowed on pages outside of the article namespace, including userpages. An image on your user page is copyrighted and unlicensed, so I had to remove it. I'm sorry if you are upset by my editing your page without your permission, but this is a rule where Wikipedia allows no exceptions. I want to make sure you know that this isn't personal. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or to seek another editor's opinion at the WP:MCQ discussion board. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Just do it

Please see in WP:So fix it the approx. sentence "If you see a problem that needs to be fixed Just do it!"

There is a tremendous amount of tag spam on articles these days. Many of these "helpful" tags are over 3 years old. They are not helping anything, they do not have any specifics of what needs to be fixed. They are ugly. Perhaps most importantly, they are telling me that I need to do something - but the editor who put them there doesn't want to take the effort do do anything himself about the problem that he sees. Why is he better than me? Who told him that he can order me around? Does he remove as many of the ugly tags as he adds? What's the point of adding the ugly tags? If I can't see a point, I delete them. That's most of the tags I see these days.

Do you remove as many tags as you add? Why not? Smallbones (talk) 04:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I reverted your reversion on the Wortley article. I've explained my reasoning above, but haven't seen any justification (or effect) of the tag. Please revert your reversion on the Bernardo O'Higgins article, since nobody has said why a tag is needed, and I've explained the problem with the tag on the article talk page. And please do fight tag spam. Smallbones (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Carlos Fonseca

Hello I am the son of Carlos Fonseca. Add my e-mail and messenger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gugumopa (talkcontribs) 05:07, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Make sortkey with AWB

Hello, I use AWB for a non Wikimedia project, with AWB I wish to add {{Defaultsort}} in a huge people cat so I wish AWB choose the family name or the last word of the title to include in {{Defaultsort:}} Do you understand ? Sorry for my poor english I'm french ;-) Hervé-- (talk) 14:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

This is very easily done by AWB. You should ask for a bot approval in your Wikipedia and run it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:47, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for you help, I have another question, is it possible to remove category sortkey ? Thanks a lot Hervé -- (talk) 09:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
We don't provide this feauture. I am sorry. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Ελληνική ΒΠ

Καλησπέρα.. Πριν 4 μέρες έχεις θέσει υποψηφιότητα για διαχειριστής στην Ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια. Διάφοροι χρήστες σου έκαναν ερωτήσεις (αυτό συνηθίζεται), στις οποίες δεν έχεις απαντήσει.. Η σελίδα βρίσκεται [16] - θα βρείς και μια δική μου ερώτηση. Καλή συνέχεια! Nataly8 (talk) 16:28, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Δεν είχα ίντερνετ για μια μέρα. Τώρα απαντάω. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB Logging to file

Since you posted on my talk page and work with developing AWB, I figured talking to you might be quicker than posting this on the AWB talk page. How exactly do I get the Logging to file feature to work? I have selected Upload, and I press apply, but the "Lines" column never goes above 2. And if I press "Turn on" it deselects the "Upload" checkbox. So am I doing something wrong? Inks.LWC (talk) 04:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

You should ask User:Reedy for that. I haven't worked with logging to file. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Status update

Just wondering what the status was for adding WP Biography to all those fun-filled articles. Looks like you are done with adding the banner, but just need to set living? Bgwhite (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I am not done yet. I won't have regular internet access for some days. I 'll leave you a message as soon as I finish. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Finished adding WPBio. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:11, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
That's awesome. I think there were some articles missing in the original list though. I found a couple such as Joshua A. Jones that haven't been tagged. There are a couple hundred under Category:Living people. Its definately a big drop from the 50K that was out there. Also a few under Category:Possibly living people like Sylvia Callen. Kumioko (talk) 01:16, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Larabot should be finding and tagging untagged pages in Category:Living people. We have an extra problem. The toolserver tool that was finding pages under living people with no tags is not working anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Now adding living parameter with value "no" to 14,000 of them. Most probably I'll be adding more soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I just loaded all the pages that are contained in living people too. There are 12,800. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

10,152 pages with persons not living anymore loaded. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

4,300 new pages in 21st-century deaths. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

550 pages in 1800s-1880s births. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

You may want to check Category:Possibly living people also. Kumioko (talk) 01:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

123 pages in Category:Possibly living people. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I did as possible with the bot. There is a bug and the plugin won't skip if the banner is not for its primary name so I think it's better to stop and work manually with the remaining 2,000 pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Help_with_back_log. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Less than 500 pages left. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Updated the WikiProjects code

I just wanted to let you know I did some changes to the WikiProjects code. I removed all the projects that didn't have any redirects (so the code wasn't doing anything but slowing down the process) and I fixed one for NIH. I recommend we just add them if needed if we determine that a redirect is created at some point in the future. Feel free to revert it though if you don't agree. Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 18:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC) :Was it you? there were only some edits by an anonymous IP. Feel free to redo the edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Now I see what happened. Thanks for the update! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I was about to ask what you were talking about but now I see. How strange some random IP just happened to revert that particular edit right as I did it. I wonder if that was a Cluebot misstep. Oh well, its all good now. Kumioko (talk) 19:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Just made a couple more edits to the code. Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 01:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB talk page edits

What is the purpose of this edit [17]? — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Something didn't go as expected. I am going to fix the algorithm right now. there is something I nedd your help: you prodiced a list of pages lacking WPBio but I could not fix many of them because the characters of the title were not in Unicode. Can you please send me a new list with proper page titles? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I am now skipping page is nothing is removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I can believe that encoding problems happen, but the file is certainly in UTF8, viz:

cbm@willow:~/public_html$ grep Andrea_Mol untagged.txt
  * Andrea_Molnár-Bodó 0
cbm@willow:~/public_html$ grep Andrea_Mol untagged.txt | od -ax
0000000 * sp [ [ A n d r e a _ M o l n C
           202a 5b5b 6e41 7264 6165 4d5f 6c6f c36e
0000020  ! r - B o d C 3 ] ] sp 0 nl
           72a1 422d 646f b3c3 5d5d 3020 000a

You can see that the á is encoded as two bytes, c3a1, which is what it should be in UTF8, and the ó is c3b3. What exact issue did you have, or what lines of the file were causing problems?

Also you have not indicated what the purpose of the edit was. If your goal is to remove "nested=yes" from every talk page, that should go through BRFA, if there are as many of them as I expect there will be. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I have 500 pages in my list from older runs which I want to clear because there were causing problems with both KingbotK plugin and with the custom module I created to fix these problems. I would like to continue the WPBio banner addition.
I loaded the list you have provided us with pages lacking WPBio but the pages with Unicode characters where skipped. i'll have to reload the list and I would prfer a new list to avoid double runs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand. Are you saying you just need to filter out the ones you have already edited? You don't need me to do that. On the other hand, if there is actually an encoding problem, I need to know what lines of the file are causing problems, because the lines I looked at appear to be valid UTF8 - which is what I expect, because I took the data directly from the database without further processing.
All ther pages with special characters were not processed. Copy pasting them in AWB didn't work correctly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Meanwhile, the edit summary "using AWB" does not actually tell anyone what your current edits are. Are you saying you are only removing "nested=yes" from 500 pages? — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:48, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, there is a bug with latest revision with the edit summary and it is not shown. We are probably fixing it today. And yes, I only want to clear my list of nested parameters. I only need ~500 more. I asked someone to tell me how many are in total. Then we can see what we are going to do with the rest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
If AWB is unable to leave an edit summary, wouldn't it make more sense to stop using AWB until the edit summary issue is fixed?
For the list, there's no easy way to grep for lines that have special characters, and the current toolserver lag will make the database useless for updating the list for about two weeks after the edits are made. The easiest way to get a list of unedited pages is just to make a list of the pages Yobot edited (using api.php) and then filter those out of the big list. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
OK I'll try that. Thanks for the advice. I stopped AWB edits from my account until the edit summary is fixed. If the problem presists till tomorrow I'll use the latets AWB version before the edit summary problem appeared. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
With an error like that I think going back to the last stable version seems reasonable. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
@CBM! Come be, be serious. Its really not that big of a deal. Why is it really necessary to cater to you just because you don't like minor edits. Your a great programmer and you know a lot about this stuff but there is no reason to create such as stir about a few minor edits. This is the same kind of nonsense that got Rich desysopped and banned from automation. Its completely ridiculous. Also with the edit summary, we can only make it so specific. Yes using AWB is pretty generic and I agree we should be more specific than that but I have seen you argue this point before and wanted to user to specify every single edit in the history which is unnecessarily difficult and could cause problems with the summary being so long it runs out the character limit on the summary.Kumioko (talk) 13:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
@Magio, unfortunately I agree with you that you had to stop it. AS I mentioned above this kind of petty argument is exactly what caused Rich to get desysopped and lose his automation privileges. That WP has gotten to the point were they are trying to find reasons why not to make edits to me is absurd but its what we have come too. Sorry for my bluntness but these sorts of petty arguments about minor edits and filling watchlists with edits are getting too common and are a real pet peeve of mine that just aggravates me to no end. I find it especially irritating when its the same half dozen editors who think its their job to be the edit police and are rarely the ones that do actual edits, even though some of them, such as CBM, easily have the skills to do it. IMO, they know in their heads that its impossible to do some of these things without a few glitches and they would rather do nothing and harp at people who do, than to actually try and make the needed edits and make a few mistakes. Kumioko (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Kumioko please read the discussion carefully. We don't really disagree with CBM for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:33, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
The edit summary problem appeared today and we are going to fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:34, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Maybe I overreacted a little but the whole hypersenitivity of certain people to minor edits lately has really started to get out of hand and really drives me nuts. Kumioko (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary bug fixed in rev 8192. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

The page above reported by Carl hasn't been skipped because it contained the word "nested" in the body text! I've taken care of it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Articles incorrectly tagged by Yobot as WPBio


FYI - I removed the WPBio tag on both these:

Hope that helps! --Quiet Editor (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Fictional characters and... toads are likely to be false positives. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed! :-) and another - this one really is a bit weird (at least from outside the code)!

--Quiet Editor (talk) 11:15, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Fixed. Talk:Elbridge Amos Stuart. This page was a redirect and moved the bot to a different page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:17, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm picking up a few more - just ploughing my way through the list of "Biography articles without living parameter" and pulling out ones that seem to be false positives
I need to break for lunch. If reporting these is duplicating work you are already doing,let me know and I'll switch my efforts to other backlogged tasks. --Quiet Editor (talk) 11:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Please keep removing false positives caused by redirects with categories. The shootings pages that involve persons are part of WPBio. thanks for the help! -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
OK I also found the following apparent false positives without obvious explanation (wrong category on article page or the like). I've undone them all:
I spotted nothing else on the list - but I was just browsing titles and only looked at articles if I was suspiscous, so I amy have missed some. If any of my undos are incorrect please let me know, I'm still relatively new to WP rules. Thanks --Quiet Editor (talk) 13:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I 've fixed some by myself too. I didn't create the list and I don't exactly have control of how these pages came into my list. Most probably wrong categorisation at some level. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:20, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Test page


Could you put the "create" protection back on Test page? I think it's a MediaWiki feature that the protection is cancelled whenever an admin creates the page. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Checkwiki for elwiki

Hi, I saw you post on dewiki asking for Checkwiki for elwiki. I answered there.

First, you have to create a project page and a translation page (where you can configure which errors are detected, priorities, ...). After, sk will add elwiki to his script.

If you're interested, I can also configure WPCleaner on elwiki to use the Checkwiki configuration.

--NicoV (talk) 15:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Of course I am interested. Where do I create this project page? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
You need to create them on elwiki. The name of the pages don't matter. The most important page is the translation one. You can take example on enwiki for the translation Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia/Translation (or on frwiki which is smaller, only needed parameters, fr:Projet:Correction_syntaxique/Traduction). When you have created them, tell sk and myself where they are, and we will each update our tools. --NicoV (talk) 15:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I saw that you started to create the pages on elwiki. I have configured WPCleaner to use them (el:Χρήστης:NicoV/WikiCleanerConfiguration), so you can test your configuration with it if you want (on the main window of WPCleaner, there's a circular arrow for reloading the configuration without login in again).
For the configuration, don't forget to change the name of all the ..._enwiki parameters to ..._elwiki if you want them to be taken into account by CheckWiki or by WPCleaner. --NicoV (talk) 19:12, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Answer posted on fr:Discussion utilisateur:NicoV. --NicoV (talk) 12:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Question on two Biography articles without living parameter


Working my way through the remaining pages in Category:Biography articles without living parameter I am puzzled by Talk:Bone Mound II and Talk:Bone Stone Graves. If I understand the revision histories correctly you tagged (by hand?) both as WPBio with a comment "fix": since you tagged both by hand I'm reluctant to remove the WPBio. However both refer to archaeological structures so I don't really see that they fall within WP:BIOGRAPHY. Can you enlighten me? --Quiet Editor (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I only fixed the unclosed brackets without really checking ig the banner applies for these pages. I think the pages don't fall into the project and the banner must be removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I removed them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB version

New snapshot (8207) is up. It fixes some of the auto-tagger problems. It's strongly adviced that you use this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

  • after unzipping, this produces an error on my machine when I try to make a shortcut for it: object: UsageStats

Time: 9:36:34 PM Message: The remote server returned an error: (500) Internal Server Error. Hmains (talk) 04:42, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps temporary internet connection problem? It unzips fine for me right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot false positive


A false positive on a mythological figure: Feng Meng--Quiet Editor (talk) 19:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm back

Sorry, been away for a bit. I answered your question on my talk page. I answered it at the AWB bugs page. I see you finally got done with adding WP Biography and had some, um, fun conversations on the Yobot's mistagging. Oh joy. Thank you for adding the living tag. Kumioko asked about adding listas on my talk page. Will do the same procedure as before... manually going thru "weird" names and then running mine/your bot to add listas to the normal names. Toolserver has been down since July 2nd due to database replication lag. So, all the new biography articles are not being tagged by MZMcbride's bot. Will need to run Yobot again after the lag disappears. Bgwhite (talk) 07:50, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I am happy to see you back. I worried a bit. Next time leave a note on your page :) I almost finished the living parameter and did the few with needs-persondata. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:52, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Madeleine McCann


Yobot tagged this one with WPBio - I assume because the article page has a "Category:2003 births". However, the article page is a redirect (protected) and consensus is that Madeline is not a notable person, though her disappearance is notable. I would suggest that the cleanest and best way of handling this is to remove both the "birth cat" from the article and the WPBio from the talk page. If you agree could you do this? (The redirect is protected and so I, as a non-admin, can't edit it). Thanks --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot creating orphan talk pages

I've found a few of these (I can give you a list if you want, or look at my page moves with the comment "Match article move"), but a good example is Talk:Bill Hedworth (pipemaker) which Yobot created, through the article Bill Hedworth (pipemaker) was a redirect with no categories.

I think the issue is that Yobot works off a cached copy of articles and so doesn't follow subsequent changes. On the Hedworth article User:Tassedethe moved the page to Bill Hedworth on July 9, but Yobot created the Talk page, in the old location, on July 11.

These examples are easily fixed by hand, but it would be good if Yobot could avoid creating them.

Thanks --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this is the problem. The list took too long to be fixed due to technical problems and became outdated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a solution to this: If everybody helps the backlog won't reach 55,000 pages again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Yet another good reason to keep the backlogs down! Hint taken.  :-) --Quiet Editor (talk) 09:14, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

There are three types of problem that may occur in this procedure:

  • Code's bug. This is something we can find and fix.
  • Misplaced page in a wrong category. This is fixed by fixing the categorisation of the page.
  • Incomplete move after the list was created. This is fixed by completing the move.

The last problem occurs usually when it takes to long to process a list. For instance, Yobot was blocked for other reason for 3 months and a backlog was created. After it was unblocked I had limited internet access for some time and list was processed slowly. Regular runs reduce the problem. You may consider making your own bot to help :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I made a quick guide for tagging. Check User:Yobot#Before_contacting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Need admin help again


Continuing clear out of Bios without living parameter - now under 300. Occasionally I have found a problem that is beyond me. This is one: the article Jos Vantyler (actor) was (sensibly) moved to Jos Vantyler. However, there are two talk pages and they seem to be somewhat tangled up in redirects. I think some admin help is required to straighten out. --Quiet Editor (talk) 15:20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Deleted redirect talk page and fixed article's talk page. You are doing a great job! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:23, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot false positive


Savate tagged as Bio; can't see any incorrect categories that would explain it. --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

No idea. Probably came from the list I was given. Tag removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot false positives - from category Charlemagne?


There may be others, but I have found Saxon Wars? --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't placed in all pages of the category so... I don't know :) Anyway I checked the rest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Planctus de obitu Karoli? --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox aircraft#New version in sandbox

Ping, re the above. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. The page was not in my watchlist. I'll have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Next run of Yobot?


Hopefully you'll see another reduction in the count of "Bios without living parameter" when you next run YoBot. I've cleaned up the birth/death/living cats on a good number of the remaining articles, but left it for YoBot to update the talk pages.

I'm done here for the day, but will check back in over the weekend to see how things are going.

Thanks for all your encouragement and for YoBot!

--Quiet Editor (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I did a manual run. We are now under 100. I think the best is to fix the rest manually. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
And at this moment the category is empty.:-) --Quiet Editor (talk) 06:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Great job! IMO, one of the most valuable things of this procedure, are the commends you wrote because in the next run I ll know better what should I improve and what I should avoid. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
You're vey welcome. One of my past jobs was as an applications engineer for a software company; so I am very accustomed to supporting programmers by reporting bugs with test cases to help them improve their code.--Quiet Editor (talk) 19:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

rev 8207

I started to use rev 8207 but stopped after I saw what General Fixes does to Juva. This is different from the : problem. Hmains (talk) 17:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you explain? Where is the problem? I can't see it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
I did the edit myself. It seems fine. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB talk page editing


Hi Magioladitis, I was just wondering why you remove {{talkheader}} from article talk pages (such as this one). Callanecc (talkcontribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 08:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I did it because there is not discussion in the page anyway. Talk header didn't benefit the talk page more. According to its documentation talk header should be put only in pages with high traffic or where it's likely a discussion is developed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok no worries thanks, I just don't see the point of removing it. Callanecc (talkcontribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 08:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
No problem. I did it manually and on purpose. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Antonio Diego Voci assessment


Hello, I have noticed that you made some very helpful edits to the Antonio Diego Voci article. I also noticed that you are a part of the wikiproject biography. There is a banner on the Antonio Diego Voci talk page saying that the page should be assessed, and I was wondering if you'd be able to assess the page. A favorable assessment would be most appreciated :) Thank you! Ahjkl67435 (talk) 15:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Added C-class. I would like to add B-class but questions raised in talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced invisible LTR marks

Notable exception: Scrabble letter distributions -- Basilicofresco (msg) 13:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I did some


I went ahead and sorted a bunch. I also archived some that were either done, Partially done, or duplicate. Kumioko (talk) 02:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for double checking those FR's I archived. I thought they were done but I guess not. I was also going to suggest. There are quite a few that date back from 2007 - 2009. Could I suggest taking a look at those and see if they still apply. It looks like some have already been done in some form. Kumioko (talk) 16:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
The ones I revived will probably improved more soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)



Καλησπέρα! Για δες λίγο την αλλαγή που έκανε εδω, χαλάσαν τα πρότυπα. --Geilamir (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Το φτιαξα. Θα φτιάξω και το πρότυπο που θέλει διόρθωση. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Template prefix


Please stop your "fix template prefix" job. It's the epitome of a cosmetic change forbidden by the AWB rules. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

OK. I agree is superminor. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
If you agreed, why did you keep doing it? [18]? [19]? At some point, if you continue doing this sort of thing, you will have your AWB access revoked, because the AWB rules directly prohibit using it to do this sort of thing. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Now abandoned. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

"Article with false <br/>": checkwiki error fix 2 and/or general fixes using AWB (8235)


I noticed that you recently marked all "Article with false <br/>" Check Wikipedia tasks as done after an edit with the summary "checkwiki error fix 2 and/or general fixes using AWB (8235)". However, I have been testing a script I wrote and have already encountered seven articles where correction was not actually made ((208996) 2003 AZ84, 2008 French Open – Boys' Doubles, 2010 (film), 3rd Force Reconnaissance Company, Abortion in Australia, Academic divisions of University of Dhaka and Anwaruddin Muhammed Khan). Michael Anon 06:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

👍 Like Perfect! This is so great. This is exactly what I 've been looking for. I improved the AWB logic a bit with rev 8236 and left a note that the method is imperfect. I wonder if these cases you fixed are common mistakes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
We have the following cases:
  • <brr> 1 occurrence
  • <br>>
  • <BR> Is this actually a mistake?
  • <br?>
  • <br//>
    • <br/r> AWB can now fix this too
  • <bre> This can't be fixed automatically. It can also be <pre>
  • <br(> -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad you like the script. On the technical side of things, I don't think that <BR> is entirely incorrect (although lower case tags are recommended for HTML 4 and required for XHTML). However, to my recollection I only standardised to lower case if there was at least one definitely incorrect line break on the page. I also acknowledge that the regular expression is too permissive at the moment and have therefore only been applying the changes after thoroughly checking checking the diff. (More changes made by the script are listed on my contributions log.) Michael Anon 07:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
It's a great script. I updated the AWB code a bit more too at rev 8239. I am now checking your edits to see if I can find something else that can be done without editor's supervision too. I think you need to leave a message to CHECKWIKI's talk page so that more editors use this tool to fix CHECKWIKI error 2. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I've added a note about the script to the Check Wikipedia talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Check Wikipedia#Automated correction of Check Wikipedia ID 2: .22Article with false .3Cbr.2F.3E.22. Michael Anon 17:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
You might also consider looking for </br>. As far as I know, the construct <br></br> is never used in practice, and is somewhat meaningless anyway, since a br tag (as far as I know) does not contain any inner content. Without a matching <br>, an instance of </br> is probably a typo. — Loadmaster (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. AWB already fixes <br.>, <\br>, <br\> and <br./>. I bet the script by Michael Anton fixes even more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes my script corrects practically anything that contains "<", "br" and ">" and has no more than three characters between each of the required sections. </br> will therefore, rightly or wrongly, be converted to <br>. Is there any legitimate reason to have two or more consecutive break tags? If not, I can easily add removal of them to User:Michael Anon/custombrcorrector.js. Michael Anon 18:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I can perform a database scan and check whether there are any false positives. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── If don't mind scanning, I'd suggest that you first search the database for </br> - there's no point examining whether a solution will work before checking that the problem actually exists. Michael Anon 06:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I found no matches on </br> in the database. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the scan. Based on your evidence, I'd rather not add removal of consecutive line breaks to User:Michael Anon/custombrcorrector.js for a problem that isn't present on Wikipedia and with a function that may result in false positives. Michael Anon 11:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes. I agree. Thanks for leaving a note to the CHECKWIKI project too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
That's OK. Michael Anon 17:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Question about a task


I know that some improvements to AWB were done lately that improve the article content counter function. If I had a list of articles, is it possible to somehow use AWB to determine which articles are less than a certain size? Kumioko (talk) 15:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

We have some functions inside that count words and characters. Maybe you could use one of them with the custom module? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok thanks, maybe I'll try that. Any chance that AWB could have a function to skip if an article is or isn't a specified size? Maybe as a skip option. Kumioko (talk) 16:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Skip if contains .{2000} Rich Farmbrough, 16:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC).
Thanks I'll try that. Kumioko (talk) 18:42, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Removing date paramters

Please be aware that date= parameters are indeed supported by MediaWiki (even if they do not show up visibly in the rendered pages); see for example the response to your edit here. So please be sure of what you're removing before doing so; Wikipedia main pages are not the only place that uses these parameters. — Loadmaster (talk) 17:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Just because the software supports the use of the date parameter doesn't mean its relevant to the template. Is there some reason why we need a date parameter on a stub template? What do we gain from it? Kumioko (talk) 17:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Where and how the date parameter is used by the stub template? And where is this information stored in the HTML code? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
In 4 million pages in the English Wikipedia I did a database scan and found 50 pages that had stub with date parameter. In some of this case it was a full date instead of month, year format. Where does the manual of {{stub}} or {{logic-stub}} mention anything on adding date? Where the Mediawiki mentions date parameter in stubs? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
This is the HTML output of the page and I see no information coming for date parameter stored:

<div id='catlinks' class='catlinks'><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Special:Categories" title="Special:Categories">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Propositional_fallacies" title="Category:Propositional fallacies">Propositional fallacies</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Logic_stubs" title="Category:Logic stubs">Logic stubs</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_February_2012" title="Category:Articles lacking sources from February 2012">Articles lacking sources from February 2012</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:All articles lacking sources">All articles lacking sources</a></li></ul></div></div> <!-- /catlinks -->

-- Magioladitis (talk) 18:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
In case someone asks why I removed them then, the answer is Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs/Archive_20#Date_on_stub_tag_causes_weird_problems. They might cause problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I believe that the date parameter is available (and added by some bots) for the benefit of future editors rather than any use by the wiki software. A future editor might want to know how long a certain problem has persisted before making a decision on what to do about it. For example, if a citation needed template has been present for several months without being replaced by a reference, then the editor might decide to delete the questionable material. JRSpriggs (talk) 05:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Date parameter is added to tags that supported. SmackBot or AnomieBot have been doing this task for a while now. AWB provides a full list with all tags that support dated parameters. Stubs don't support it and in fact I performed a database scan to confirm it. At the moment there is only one page that has a stub tag with date parameter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Maybe Loadmaster and CBM got confused too? Dated parameters are just fine for all tags that have a piece of code for them and in most cases a relevant category. The question here is if we add dated parameters on stub tags. The answer is no. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
The fact that we don't add a date parameter to most stub templates does not mean that such a template is "not supported". Mediawiki allows any parameter to be placed on any template. If a parameter is not directly used by the template code, it will end up having no effect on the rendered page, but it is still visible in the wiki source. If some editors have placed a date on stub templates, that's fine and causes no problems with Mediawiki. I think the idea of putting a date on a stub template, just for humans to see when they edit the article, is actually pretty good. I may start adding it when I mark other pages as stubs.
The motivation for removing the dates seems to be an AWB bug. Surely the correct solution to buggy software is to fix the software, rather than editing wiki pages to temporarily remove whatever was causing the software's bugs to happen. AWB needs to be able to handle legal wiki syntax, and part of that syntax is that any template can have any parameters. — Carl (CBM · talk) 11:40, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Adding parameters to templates which have no effect on cats or the rendered page is a rather useless thing to do. Perhaps a discussion first at the stub project (or a more general venue) to check whether many people actually want to have dated stub tags would be a good first step. Personally, I see no use whatsoever in dating these, there is no reason why older stubs would be more problematic or urgent than newer ones. Articles being a stub is not a problem, contrary to e.g. articles being unsourced. Fram (talk) 12:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
@Carl: There is a reason he have a talk page for many things. In the past we had editors that were adding comments in the code to give instructions of how to improve the page. Since these comments are invisible there were no help to willing editors and we tried to move these comments on the talk page. something similar is here. Someone could go for example and add dated parameter to navboxes just to remember when this was added to the page, etc. We prefer to avoid these things. On the other issue: One of the concepts of CHECKWIKI, WPCleaner, AWB and other projects, tools, bot and some editors is to keep the code readable, because we want people to be able to read the code and edit it. The visual editor will probably a solution for the future but we are not there yet. On the last issue: We should not expect tools deal with every small weird situation. Take for example false break tags which are discussed in my talk page above: AWB fixes 99% of the cases and Michael Anon created a tool to fix 99.9% of the cases. Still there is always a small percentage that needs human attention.
@Fram. I agree with you. Dating stubs is not that popular anyway. As I said I found only 50 pages. We didn't even know they exist till yesterday. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I was under the impression that the date= parm was used mainly as documentation (as JRSpriggs says) for other/future editors, to know when a tag was added, and thus how long it has been on the page. Likewise, I assumed (like CBM) that parms that are not explicitly supported by a template are silently ignored, as thus can be added without ill effects. That being said, it is just as meaningful to add an HTML comment after a tag to serve exactly the same purpose:

{{Some-tag|parms...}}<!--added 2012-08-09-->

I've seen many edits where people provided date parms to tags that they added to articles, as well as a fair number of edits where other editors have added date parms to tags that were added by other users. So I assumed that this was standard WP practice. — Loadmaster (talk) 16:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I know it's confusing. We have a lot of unused parameters all over templates anyway. This is the reason I am making some effort to standardise the parameter names so editor's can easily detect anomalies. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
If we, at some point, decide to add dated parameters to stub tags I can run my bot to add dates to all of them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
This was working before I edited it but the code was just crap and the render time was huge. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Now there are 3 stub tags with date parameter. All added by CBM after this discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed this discussion ... as a regular stub-sorter, stubs with date parameters are a pain because there's more to delete when editing the simple stub tag into {{Brazil-footy-bio-stub}} or whatever. PamD 08:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Can you please contact User:CBM and tell them. He added them back even after I explained him. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

"No footnotes"


Per Wikipedia:CITE#Parenthetical_referencing, parenthetical citations such as "(Kechris 1994:87)" are valid inline citations, just like footnotes. The {{nofootnotes}} tag is somewhat misnamed, because it actually says "inline citations", not footnotes, and so articles that use parenthetical referencing rather than footnotes should not be tagged - as long as they use parenthetical referencing they will *never* have footnotes even if they are FAs. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed. Thanks for letting me know. You are right on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2012 (UTC)



Could you tell me how install AWB? I don't get it yet. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 07:05, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Download the file. Unzip it to whatever directory you want. Inside the newly created AWB directory, run 'AutoWikiBrowser'. Bgwhite (talk) 07:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
We provide install information in Wikipedia:AWB#.282.29_Download. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:25, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg I appreciate your work.! – Justice007 (talk) 10:07, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:07, 11 August 2012 (UTC)



Dear Magioladitis, how do I wikify a page? You said on the page about Yuri Rozhdestvensky that it needs to be wikified. Can you give me some tips? I am new to it. Thanks, Maria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariapolski (talkcontribs) 13:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

First of all try to add wikilinks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


Err, why would you bother making this change? DISPLAYTITLE is an invisible magic word, so it's presence or order shouldn't matter. Regards, RJH (talk) 13:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I think first we need to add something in the Manual of Style. Something like: Hatnotes should be displayed under DISPLAYTITLE. I 'll have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps the hatnotes just need to be placed at the top of the visible article content. Thanks. Regards, RJH (talk) 14:38, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't disagree but we have to make a rule somewhere for that. WP:HATNOTES states that hatnotes should go over the very top of the page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, to me at least, "Hatnotes are placed at the very top of the article..." implies graphical positioning rather than placement in the editing stream. I'd like to suggest that you're taking the wording perhaps a little too literally. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

infobox airline


see this request. Frietjes (talk) 13:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Let's wait how other will respond. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikify tag on article Statutes of uncertain date


You recently added a Wikify tag to the article Statutes of uncertain date. When I clicked on the button to "show" the reason it just said "No reason has been cited for the Wikify tag on this article." In the comment you wrote "Break in list (checkwiki 54), added wikify tag using AWB (8246)" I've spent the last half-hour trying to find out what "Break in list" and "checkwiki 54" mean and found nothing, other than that the latter refers to the former. Zyxwv99 (talk) 15:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I added a wikilink and removed the wikify tag. Ignore the edit summary since it is wrong. Just FYI: "checkwiki" refers to WP:CHECKWIKI project which finds common syntax errors on pages. 54 refers to error number 54 which is "(unneeded) break in list" but it was already fixed by another editor. Thanks for the report and sorry if you lost half hour for this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Zyxwv99 (talk) 03:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC)



I mentioned you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Debresser taking unilateral action against consensus due to his unique interpretation of wikificationRyan Vesey 21:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I replied there. I think Debresser was not aware of the lengthy discussion on the WikiProject. I don't we should use ANI for that. Things are under control. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
He was aware and had made one comment. I still think he was being disruptive, but ANI might have been overkill. Ryan Vesey 00:23, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
He was aware for the last part only as far as I understand. We are discussing changes a year now: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikify/Archive_6#Proposed_change_to_.7B.7BWikify.7D.7D and now I recalled you were active in the disccusion back then too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
The entire thing is a difficult issue since editors are not active on the project talk page. I've virtually never gotten more than 2 or 3 people to participate in any discussion. In this case, I advertised to individual people who might be interested in addition to posting it on the talk page. The discussion was still minimal. There's not much more I could have done so it's pretty ridiculous for this editor to come in after the fact, revert my edits without finding support, and base all of his arguments on misunderstandings. Ryan Vesey 00:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB bug


Hey Magio. Just noticed this edit where you tagged the article as uncategorised even though it has two cats. Probably worth looking into to make sure it doesn't keep happening. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 07:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hm... let me check this. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I can't reproduce it! It seems like it failed to grab info on categories due to some network problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the report. I can't reproduce the bug. I guess for some reason (network? Mediawiki changes?) for a moment AWB was unable to grab correct information from server. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

mushussu / mušḫuššu


A previous editor renamed the page mušḫuššu as mushussu as he was probably unaware that š = sh and that ḫ = kh (Scottish “ch”), thus leaving the name misspelled. I tried to revert this change but seem to have been blocked. The page was named mušḫuššu for good reason, as mushkhushshu or mushhushshu is a bit of an eyesore. Mushussu is, however, completely wrong. The naming conventions do not prohibit the use of diacritical marks. How might this be corrected? BigEars42 (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I added my opinion in the talk page. Please visit Wikipedia:Requested moves to request move. An admininstrator will check your request. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Normalization of default sort title


Three Södermanland runestone article edits on Aug. 13 changed the default sorting to "Sodermanland." Currently this is modifying the order of the stones on "Category:Runestones in Södermanland" but will be Ok if all 60+ articles using the Swedish province in the article's name are eventually changed using the same default sort spelling. Deanlaw (talk) 13:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

If there are other with special characters please tell me and I'll fix them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I'll fix all right now. Thanks for the tip. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
The rest couldn't be fixed automatically due to a hidden Unicode character. Fixing... -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 Done Fixed everything! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Removal of comments from airport articles.


Magioladitis, please stop removing empty comments from airport articles; they are deliberate, as they GREATLY ease editing of the destination tables. Thanks. --Chaswmsday (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hm.... do you find it easier than just empty lines? Mclay1 has asked for this and in fact I also find the page cleaner. I 'll stop removing it from airports till we sort it out. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I removed all pages with the word "airport" from my list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Empty lines also change the layout of the table. Slasher-fun (talk) 17:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the change, Magioladitis. I was just about to say what Slasher-fun did. I believe I started adding empty comments to airport articles and everyone else picked up on it. I was afraid of having a non-empty comment, since that would just add to the existing density of text in these tables. --Chaswmsday (talk) 18:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Upgrade Rating for Antonio Diego Voci


To Magioladitis

Again thank you for the improvement work you performed on the Antonio Diego Voci biography. Do you have the power to upgrade from “C” class? Following your 4 August entry “C, checking for B fit”, the next day, 5 Aug Rich Farmbrough made a sincere multiple editing efforts; plus more have been made since. The result is it appears the issues editors addressed have been resolved. With continued assistance we hope to reach GA status soon. (By the way, Farmbrough must be British, changed color to colour, traveling to travelling, etc.) Ahjkl67435 (talk) 18:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, since he is a native speaker I think the best is to ask him to rate it as class B. He can check syntax better than me. I performed a typo scan and found no errors. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)



I replied on my talk page yesterday, but it just dawned on me... I don't have approval to work on DEFAULTSORT. I see that Yobot 16 had approval to do this. Oh, this is going to open up a can of worms.

  1. Was there any special code for Yobot 16?
  2. Is Yobot still blocked?
  3. Should I open up a BRFA request to fix various CHECKWIKI errors as long as I stay away from the controversial ones that got Yobot in trouble? Bgwhite (talk) 01:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
  1. No special code. Just general fixes with "RESTRICT DEFAULTSORT addition/modification" disactivated.
  2. No, it's not. Waiting for code to improve and trying to distribute job to other people and get more people involved. Yobot catches a lot of attention at the moment. I 've been told to reapply for CHECKWIKI errors separately because previous approval was too generic but nobody could tell me which CHECKWIKI errors not should be fixed automatically.
  3. I suggest that you open a BRFA for the two CHECKWIKI errors I proposed for start. This is mainly an extension of your work already. You have worked with fixing Persondata/DEFAULTSORT/listas already and this is a part of this job. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok. I'm sorry I didn't see your reply at my talk page. I'll open up a BRFA. I don't mind doing any other stuff you want to offload from Yobot. Just looking from the outside when all the Yobot drama was going on, I completely understand why you are wanting to do this. Bgwhite (talk) 05:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Request has been made. Bgwhite (talk) 05:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Empty comments can be functional


Your recent edit, removing empty comments <!---->, ignores the utility of empty comments to distinguish } }} from }} } except without introducing a space. The difference is the inclusion or exclusion of a closing brace from a template parameter. I would be happy if you could suggest a cleaner/more appropriate may of achieving the same effect. — Quondum 12:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to think of something. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:00, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I found something more suitable: {{void}}. I've edited Zero object (algebra) accordingly. — Quondum 13:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Cool! Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

priority parameter

I had a thought... As the vast majority of articles that need priority replacement already had the priority parameter in the banner before being added to the tracking category. Would it be better to go thru articles, remove priority if it is empty or add the appropriate work-group if priority is set. This way, we fix the articles before they ever get added to the tracking category. Bgwhite (talk) 22:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I totally agree but there should be dozens thousands of them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Hehe, reading your response in Carl Sagan mode does wonders. Wonder if it is a good idea to add a tracking category to Template:WikiProject Biography to see how many articles have priority/importance listed? Then can check for articles in the category, that are footballers and use AWB to add sports-work-group. Bgwhite (talk) 00:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes this is a good idea. I have ran in specialised categories in the past and added pages in work-groups. Yobot and Kingbotk have been doing that too. I encourage you to start this but be very careful with subcategories. The category structure is awful, there is no formalised rule if we should add inline categories in categories (For example Category:Carl Jung does not have birth/death categoris and this is good but many other have which I disagree). There can be many surprices out there! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I was thinking of something else. Add a tracking category to the WikiProject Banner template that will put all articles that have importance or priority into a category. Then use something like catscan to create a list from a common category, say footballers. Load the list into AWB with it adding sports-group. Adding a tracking category into the template requires an admin. Bgwhite (talk) 08:37, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
How are going to track pages with an empty parameter? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:45, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
That I don't know unless there is some coding magic to be done in the template. At least this way we can cleanup the articles that have priority already set. Bgwhite (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Aha. We need only those that have priority already set. This is easy I guess. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
"This is easy"... famous last words. Bgwhite (talk) 08:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Voila! Category:Biography articles with plain priority parameter -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

To track those banners with a priority parameter (empty or used), you could add:
-- WOSlinker (talk) 11:19, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll start with these that have a value set. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:24, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Looks like pages with no priority at all are showing up. Bgwhite (talk) 19:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
WOSlinker fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Number stabilised to something below 420,000. Yobot can fix categories to reduce a little. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Can the tracking category be split into two? One category that just includes an empty value for parameter. That way Yobot could run on all the talk pages for which priority is empty. Bgwhite (talk) 05:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I've split it into two, so there are now two cats. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Ahhh, perfect. 170,000 with blank priority. Yobot is going to have a fun time with those. Thank you WOSlinker. Bgwhite (talk) 20:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
The resorting is done. 430,000 blank priority and 40,000 with priority set. This is a much more workable number. Bgwhite (talk) 02:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced invisible LTR marks

I would like to add this feature in AutoWikiBroswer. So, can you please tell me: Do you remove this character in from every place or just from categories? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I'm removing this characters from categories link, images link and wikilinks. Here are the regex I'm using:
(u"\.([Jj][Pp][Ee]?[Gg]|[Oo][Gg][Vv]|[Ss][Vv][Gg]|[Pp][Nn][Gg]|[Gg][Ii][Ff]) *\u200E+(?!\w)", ur'.\1'),
(u"\.([Jj][Pp][Ee]?[Gg]|[Oo][Gg][Vv]|[Ss][Vv][Gg]|[Pp][Nn][Gg]|[Gg][Ii][Ff])\u200E+", ur'.\1'),
(u"\[\[[Cc]ategor(y|ia):([^\[\]\u200E]*)\u200E+(?!\u200E)([^\[\]]*)(\]\]|\|)", ur'[[Categor\1:\2\3\4'),
(u"\[\[\u200E([^\[\]\r\n]+)(\]\]|\|)", ur'[[\1\2'),
(u"\[\[([^\[\]\r\n\u200E]+)\u200E+(\]\]|\|)", ur'[[\1\2'),
(u"\[\[\u200E([^\[\]\r\n]+)(\]\]|\|)", ur'[[\1\2'),
(u"\[\[([^\[\]\r\n\u200E]+)\u200E+(\]\]|\|)", ur'[[\1\2'),
Basilicofresco (msg) 21:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Notable exception: Scrabble letter distributions -- Basilicofresco (msg) 13:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for this list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Tense error in Vladimir Putin article


Could you please fix a slight error in the article Vladimir Putin? Under the "adventures and image" section, a sentence reads "In late August 2010 Putin shoot darts from a crossbow at a gray whale off Kamchatka Peninsula coast as part of an eco-tracking effort, while balancing on a rubber boat in the sea." It should be "shot" instead of "shoot". Also, although most media outlets say he used a "dart", scientists (mainly the NOAA) would call it a "modified bolt". Cheers! (talk) 22:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

You work with AWB right?

I don't really care to go through the bug request process, so I'll leave the note here. AWB is trying to change templates under multiple issues back to the old form (without nested templates). Can this be fixed? Ryan Vesey 05:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Magioladitis is on a wikibreak. Leave the bug report on AWB's talk page. User:GoingBatty is the main person to talk about the tags. Also, state which version of AWB is doing this. In the edit summary, it's the number in parenthesis at the end.... using AWB (8267) Bgwhite (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
The way AWB handles Multiple Issues is going to change soon. User:GoingBatty gather information and User:Rjwilmsi will implement it soon. See you in 3 days. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:50, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Ryan! On August 4, I posted a message at Template talk:Multiple issues#AWB support of new template design inviting people to discuss at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature requests#Support for revised Multiple issues template, but didn't receive any response. GoingBatty (talk) 17:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)



I apologize for the derp. I have removed the bug template from that page because I simply entered the URL incorrectly in AWB. (talk) 08:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

OK. It is good that you found the source of the bug. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot automobile edits


I noticed your request (later removed) to check the Yobot automobile edits a bit. I also note some other editors leaving some feedback on Yobot's talk page already, perhaps some of my comments are duplicate of those.

After this edit, the image no longer shows. This may be an infobox error instead of a Yobot problem (the "." in the filename may cause the problem). That edits, and ones like this and this, also remove the caption for the picture. Perhaps this is requested and intentional, otherwise it may need checking.

Here the fourth image is removed by the bot edit, which removes a large part of the filename. This is apparently the same problem as the first one I mentioned: the bot keeps the first few characters after the first "." it encounters, and drops the rest of it. Perhaps it should keep everything until the first "|" or "}" it encounters instead? Fram (talk) 13:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I did some last minute changes which proved not to be a good idea. I 'll fix immediately.

The caption is intentionally removed after WP:WikiProject Automobile comments. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Allright, I'll ignore the caption removals. If I notice other potential problems, I'll drop a note. Fram (talk) 13:42, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Fram. Check discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#How_to_separate_the_bot_edits_from_the_.22normal.22_edits. At the beginning I was of the opinion we should go slower and add captions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Another buggy one here, on Bugatti Veyron. Filename matching regex not being greedy enough? Andy Dingley (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it stops in the first dot. I stopped to fix the regex. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I checked my last 1,000 edits out of 1,500 done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I checked them all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:04, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, are you able to please run the bot again to do the user pages in Category:Infobox automobile image param needs updating as well? We may as well get those done too; I doubt anyone will get upset because a) most of those pages are inactive and b) this is the new format standard. Thanks, OSX (talkcontributions) 05:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I reduced the number of pages to 52. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Should an image2 param be added to the infobox to allow for two images? -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:57, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Better ask the project. Now we have only 25 pages left and I think OSX will take care of them. Your question is more important for Infobox military person. Category:Infobox military person image param needs updating has more than 600 pages left. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:03, 1 September 2012 (UTC)



:P Happymelon 19:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Thanks for fixing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot request


Is it possible to run Yobot against Wikipedia:Database reports/Untagged biographies of living people once a week and/or get a full listing from MZMcBride?

User:LaraBot does that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
LaraBot can, but doesn't. Articles in the list have been around for awhile. Can you still do it or should I ask MZMcBride? If MZ, then I'll wait a few days has he has a op-ed piece in the upcoming signpost. Bgwhite (talk) 07:59, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I can do it but I don't want to do it in daily basis. I am trying to perform less tasks at the moment. I think the best is that this was done by a bot running in the toolserver. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Pffft, what you want to sleep? LaraBot is running on a daily basis and catches the majority of new BLP's... I add listas value to them everyday, that is when toolserver is functioning. It is just that LaraBot isn't running with that category. Clean out the category then it should be easy to keep the category cleaned out. I'll ask MZ. Bgwhite (talk) 08:10, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Done! -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I also asked another question above in the priority parameter section. Bgwhite (talk) 06:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Better ask User:WOSlinker to create the tracking categories and then I can run Yobot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Categories comment above or below Persondata


I manually moved the <!-- Categories --> comment after {{Persondata}} in my AWB edit. Your following AWB edit only undid this. I would have thought that was an edit to avoid, even if I was in the wrong. (I also manually added the / to <br> and I see you've been removing those too... though not in this case.) Mark Hurd (talk) 10:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hm... I did that by mistake. We can just remove this comment anyway. This was an old habit not common anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, removing the comment completely was probably the right thing to do. (I was going to say something about us edit warring, via AWB, over two features where neither is visible to the public...) Mark Hurd (talk) 13:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Weird problem solved. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Yobot edit


Hi Magioladitis. It seems Yobot is still having problems with image filenames containing points (in case you believed you had fixed that): [20]. I have fixed this instance. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 08:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. I fixed the rest. I am going to fix it right away. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Yobot did another boo-boo: [21]. I have fixed it (note that the image was a redlink anyway). Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 07:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I forgot to take care of commented out images. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:53, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

It's having problems with comma as well - see [22]. --Dmitry (talkcontibs) 18:31, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

This is with the older code. Anyway, run is now over. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Multiple issues

Hi there. You returned an invocation of {{Multiple issues}} to the old format using AWB. Just to tip you off that the template has a new format now. --Stfg (talk) 09:03, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. AWB's logic is going to be fixed soon I hope. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB ideas

Here are two ideas of thought of for features for AWB and I was wondering what you thought. 1st, if there is a section heading that is linked and AWB unlinks it, it should add {{Main}} assuming that was the intent of the author. Second, AWB should build in a capability to change all dates to dmy or all dates to mdy for an article. Similar to User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM datesRyan Vesey 16:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll have a look. We have a huge list of feature requests. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:25, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
For the second request, maybe start with custom modules to change dates: one for dmy dates, one for mdy dates, etc. GoingBatty (talk) 00:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)



You said you performed a database scan for <ref name=<ref name. How do you do that? Bgwhite (talk) 16:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I download the latest database from WP:DUMP and then I loaded in AWB. Tools->Database scanner. Then I selected: As Database file the one I downloaded, Namespace=Main and Text <ref name=<ref name. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Ah thank you. Now I know. When was the last time you slept? It seems as if you haven't been off wiki for awhile or you have cloned yourself. Bgwhite (talk) 17:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
LOL. I don't sleep a lot. That's true. :) I think I am Wikipedia:Wikipediholic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Lua templates

I've been looking at the new Lua templates feature that will eventually make it over to this wiki and have been working on a module that will help for the image params in infoboxes, so that it's easier to work with both bare filenames and fully formatted image links.

See Module:InfoboxImage for the code and Module talk:InfoboxImage for some examples. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

This looks really good. My aim is that one day all infoboxes will support bare filenames which are less sensitive in vandalism and easier to update. I'll have a closer look at your code tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

What are you doing?

[23] [24] - What are you doing?

  • Both of those edits violate the AWB rules of use by making a cosmetic-only change.
  • AWB was intentionally changed to not mess with the capitalization of the first letter of a template, but you are changing them.
  • You have been editing at a rate over 10 edits per minute for the last 45 minutes, which is too fast to claim that you are adequately manually reviewing each edit.

You need to stop whatever you are doing and get bot approval for it. — Carl (CBM · talk) 10:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I asked User:Bgwhite to make a plan to removing deprecated parameters nested and priority. We face various problems with them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
The change in math rating should not happen. I mainly did it to record as a problem and ask User:Kumioko to fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Check User_talk:Magioladitis#priority_parameter and User_talk:Bgwhite#priority.2Fnested. It was no my intention to make a full run (which is also impossible unless I spend the next months of my life doing it). -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I commented out the Maths logic so it shouldn't run but I didn't delete it yet so that we have the list of all the project templates that have template redirects in one place.
As a note. Since the maths project is one of only 3 out of the 1700+ that don't use the standard WikiProject X naming convention (USRoads and Canada roads are the other 2, someone changed MILHIST a while back) I'm not sure if CBM has a valid argument anymore. At this point its more of an WP:IDONTLIKEIT argument IMO. Kumioko (talk) 11:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I thought there was a general consensus at AWB not to change the capitalization of template invocations. That is independent of the name of the template, which - because it is a wikiproject template - is up to the math wikiproject to decide. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
In the case of example 1 ok, you got me on that one and we have adjusted the code as necessary to prevent that from being affected in the future. In the case of example #2 no. There are a lot of reasons for standardizing WikiProject templates that we have already explained at length and that the majority of editors accept. Its really the minority at this point (really just one or 2 resistant editors) who insist there is no conensus. Also, that edit removed |nested=yes which is a deprecated parameter and no longer needed or used in WikiProject banners. Although you may again disagree with the merits of deleting this parameter, there are solid and explainable reasons why its best to delete these uneeded and or deprecated parameters, which have also been explained numerous times before. Its further preferred to do this things together to minimize the number of edits to the article. Kumioko (talk) 15:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

updated articles without WP Biography


Wikipedia:Database reports/Untagged biographies of living people was updated yesterday. Could you run your yobot magic on it... as long as you have been a good boy and have gone to bed on time. You don't want to disappoint daddy now :) Bgwhite (talk) 22:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

OK I'll do. But you have to request this job to be done by your bot too. :) I can tell you which settings to do. What happened to LaraBot? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
It is not the easiest to get LaraBot to do manual runs at the moment. I'll get a request for my bot. Also, should I get a request to remove the priority parameter? I also answered your question on my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
For "priority" the first step is to leave to the WikiProject that will explain what the problem is and why we would like to remove it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:28, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Doing... Magioladitis (talk) 22:52, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Magioladitis (talk) 07:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB bug?


Running SVN 8319 just fine. AWB is not removing " ' " character. I want to say I remember AWB removing it in the past. Examples are: École du personnel navigant d'essais et de réception, École secondaire l'Horizon and École Supérieure d'Audiovisuel. Bgwhite (talk) 22:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Should this character be removed? We 've been fixing only casing around it and now I removed this part. We haven't be removing it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:01, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
For a person's name, it should be removed. NAMESORT says only periods and dashes are allowed. AWB had been removing apostrophes in Polynesian names and French names. I'm not sure what the rules are on names of places. Bgwhite (talk) 23:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
"Punctuation, such as apostrophes and colons (but not hyphens or periods/full stops) should be removed." per WP:MCSTJR. Confirmed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
If removing " ' " character is a general rule then we should find out. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I think I'll be changing WP:MCSTJR. I carried forward the rule from the old version.
Chicago Manual of Style (section 18.62) only has removing the apostrophe on O' names. Example would be Eugene O'Neill -> DEFAULTSORT:Oneill, Eugene
Chicago gives examples in different spots of where they kept the apostrophe.
Library Assosication examples for French and Gabon names also leave in the apostrophe.
New rule would be, "Only hyphens, apostrophes and periods/full stops punctuation marks should be kept. All other punctuation marks should be removed. The only exception is for names beginning with O' as the apostrophe should be removed. For example, Eugene O'Neill is sorted by ". Bgwhite (talk) 07:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
OK. So you fixed the bug yourself by changing the rules. :D -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:36, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
He he... hadn't thought of it that way. Hmmmm, my wife changes the rules on me all the time, so it's my turn to change the rule. Is it possible to code the O' exception into AWB? Bgwhite (talk) 07:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
As a first step I would like a short list of example. Like Eugene O'Neill. I need some more of these. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
And as step 0 I would need you to change the Manual of Style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Egads, demand this and demand that. I already have a wife. Example list. Will change MOS my tomorrow or your evening. Need to finish up my daily routine and unlike you, I need some sleep. Bgwhite (talk) 07:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
LOL. My demands depend on your needs! Haha. Now I sound more like your wife I guess. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
You first need to redo the old ones so we know the older bugs were fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I re-ran the test run and updated WP:MCSTJR to include the stuff about apostrophes. Bgwhite (talk) 21:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB rev 8319

Anyone who needs AWB rev 8319 please email me and I'll send you a copy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)