User talk:Miha Trochael

Copying within Wikipedia

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Vampires (Jure Grando article)

Hi, I removed your addition to the Jure Grando article because the article is about him, by name, not competitors for "first place" as earliest vampire ( or so described). If you can provide reliable historical research records from scholarly or secondary historical sources, an additional article might be due. However, I noticed that the material or account is described as "legend"; I don't know how reliable Václav Neplach's chronicle is, as in this case at least it seems rely a lot on dubious, second-hand and unlikely "peasant gossip" and various colourful impossibilities concerning the "undead". As for the "vampire", even in legend he seems to have had no appetite for human blood, which I'd suggest eliminates him from the Vampire category. Mind you, it also eliminates Jure Grando! Regards, Haploidavey (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I added that little bit of info for context because Grando's page has no info about much older cases being out there, just claiming this one as probably first. But if you think it should not be there, okay, I'm not going to argue. However, I'd like to let you know that the blood-drinking is typically not directly mentioned in the most of the folk tales or historically recorded vampire cases. It's implied by the fact that the bodies that should be dead are discovered full of fresh blood (as in Myslata's case) or there's blood in their mouth etc. Myslata's story in Neplach's chronicle isn't meant to be a legend but an actual thing that happened in the given year and was taken as such by another chronicler and a scholar in 16th & 18th centuries, although of course we will never know how authentic Neplach's info is. This particular story is also the oldest mention of the Blov village. I may try the separate article thing 🤔 Miha Trochael (talk) 22:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. To judge from the intro to the Vampire article, there seems to be no reliable or exclusive definition for that particular type of "undead" other than animation of the corpse and predatory blood-drinking, at least since the publication of Dracula books and films. Stoker seems to have developed his own definition, upto a point, though based on Romanian and other Central European traditions The topic really is not my speciality, but if it was, I think I'd see if the Neplach version of the Myslata story could be given more detail in the Vampire article first, using secondary sources (that's vital) then a separate article written if the episode could be proven as notable in itself, not just as a good illustration of pre-Dracula vampirism in the vampire article. Re-animation and predation by the not-quite-dead seem to be a very ancient fears. There are several probable examples from ancient Rome, or presumed examples, in which a corpse is "fixed" to their grave with a large nail, and cannot therefore wander and terrorise the living (as a lemur or vengeful spirit), or a reanimated corpse, awakened through witchcraft. The implication there seems to be that the burial rites were incorrect, or the person died too young, or dissatisfied, with no earthly home and no place in the underworld. Regards, Haploidavey (talk) 05:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have dealt with Myslata already, at the Vampire article. Let's see how it goes! Haploidavey (talk) 05:54, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]