User talk:Moderate viewer

About Marc Rebillet

Hi Moderate viewer -- welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for working on the Marc Rebillet article. I'm Cloud atlas, and I've put in a lot of work on the article. I appreciate that you sought out sources for the article -- adding references is one of the most important things to do on Wikipedia. But I reverted your addition of a source for a few reasons:

We don't usually consider blogs to be reliable sources. Reliable sources are usually recognized news outlets (or books, journal articles, magazines, etc.) You can read more about reliable sources here: Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Since your source is an interview, we can't directly take Rebillet's word for the money he raised. It needs to be verified by a reliable source. If the only source about the money raised were Rebillet saying it himself, we would at best be able to write in the article something like, "Rebillet claims that the tour raised..."
There are other, more reliable sources cited in there that mention the amount, so I think we have this particular fact covered.

Do these points make sense? Please let me know if not. I definitely need help on the Rebillet article. One thing I do is set up a Google Alert for his name so I know if a story gets published about him. If you want to do that, too, it would help us keep the article up-to-date.

To reply to this message, you can edit the page, type your reply under mine, and publish. -- Cloud atlas (talk) 16:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Cloud atlas -- I really appreciate you walking me through your thought process here. That all makes sense to me, but I do think the interview does provide real value here. See my response below.

Wouldn't the interview I cited be more reliable in this scenario since it's from the company that Marc actually hosted his fundraiser on? The other references are definitely more notable than that blog with the interview, but none of the other references specifically mention where or how he raised the money. I feel as if this interview fills that knowledge gap since it provides links to his actual fundraising campaign page on their website, and it shows a picture of him with his donation receipt for 34k. I'm 100% with you about making sure articles cite recognized news outlets, but in this instance, I feel like this interview should be considered a reliable resource since its coming straight from the place he raised the money (and maybe thats just my naive-ness since I'm new to the world of editing Wikipedia).
I'm not trying to push you here :) and I'm totally fine leaving it out of thats what you think is best. I just wanted to toss it out there as I try to get a grasp on all of the editorial standards.
I'm also more than happy to help keep the article up-to-date.

Hi Moderate viewer -- I didn't know that Bonfire was the company with which he raised the money. Counterintuitively, that actually further disqualifies their blog as a source. The reason is because they have a potential conflict of interest around reporting the outcome neutrally. Imagine, for instance, that a major corporation released a new device, and then wrote a blog post saying that the release of the device went great. We wouldn't be able to cite their blog post to say in the article about the device that it's release went great -- because they have an interest in making people think it went great. I'm not saying that's what happened with this Bonfire post, but it is why we don't want to cite these kind of company blogs as sources.

One other small tip is that we don't usually put citations in the middle of the sentence (you put yours right after the number $34,000). They usually go at the end of the sentence.

And I also have a couple tips about replying to messages on wiki:

The convention is to indent replies by putting a colon (or multiple colons) at the beginning of each line, which is what I've done with my reply here.
You can sign your post by including four tildes at the end (~~~~)

Anyway, next time I see an article about Rebillet that we should scan for new info for the article, I'll ping you here so you can handle it. Thanks for being involved!

-- Cloud atlas (talk) 05:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Moderate viewer -- I just saw this article about Rebillet in SPIN: https://www.spin.com/2020/08/loop-daddy-marc-rebillet-likes-it-raw/. I haven't been through it yet to see if there is anything that should be added to the Wikipedia article. Do you want to take a pass at it? -- Cloud atlas (talk) 21:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]