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Hi Number57, I am just going through the NPL teams for the updater and have seen that the Droylsden F.C. ID has been misspelled "Droylesd" instead of "Droylsde". Not sure where I would change this. Cheers. Delsion23 (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, Farsley Celtic are out of alphabetical order and should be after Droylsden. Cheers, Delsion23 (talk) 19:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
@Delusion23: Thanks for letting me know – now fixed! Cheers, Number 57 19:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Another edit needed, Retford F.C. and Canning Town F.C. are missing from the list for Central Midlands Football League. Cheers! Delsion23 (talk) 10:05, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

My mistake, it is actually Clay Cross Town F.C. which appears to be missing, in addition to Retford. Cheers! Delsion23 (talk) 12:34, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I've also noticed a mistake in the Isthmian Leagues in Template:ENGLs. "IL1N" is listed twice when one should be "IL1S". Cheers, Delsion23 (talk) 11:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Small issue: teams in this season's Southern Counties East Football League Division One were in the Kent Invicta League last season. Delsion23 (talk) 11:29, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

In the Template:English football updater, some of your "<!--" parts are missing the "!" (see Southern Combination sections). Delsion23 (talk) 11:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

In the Midland League should Bloxwich Town (Div Two) and Castle Vale Town (Div Three) have completely blank entries for the ...2 and ...3 parameters, as does City of Liverpool in NWC? I believe that neither of the teams competed last season. Drawoh46 (talk) 14:45, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Alternatively, leave param 3 as Did not enter and change param 2 to 2015–16, rather than a link to a division in which they were not playing. Drawoh46 (talk) 15:19, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@Drawoh46: I've corrected Castle Vale to just 2015–16 and "Did not play" rather than a link to the league, but Bloxwich and City of Liverpool are both new clubs, so I thought leaving it blank would be the best option? Also, I thought I had added Retford earlier today but it seems I didn't, so I've now added them and Clay Cross Town. Number 57 17:31, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@Number 57: I agree. Leaving blank for new clubs is best. I hadn't notices that Bloxwich is new. Thanks! Drawoh46 (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Hey, just so you know, in Southern League Premier, Dunstable and Dorchester are out of alphabetical order. Cheers, Delsion23 (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Another minor issue with SCEL. Last season the league had only one division, so there was no concept of Premier Division. So parameters two and three for each club which was in SCEL last season should really result in 2015–16 Southern Counties East League nth, rather than 2015–16 Southern Counties East League Premier Division nth, in the same way as is shown for clubs in other single division leagues, for example East Midlands Counties League. Drawoh46 (talk) 06:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

@Drawoh46: I believe the division was actually called the Premier Division last season (to differentiate it from a reserve division – the same as is still the case for the Essex Senior League) but it just wasn't referred to as such in common parlance because there was only one first-team division. I'm happy to change if it's really an issue though. Number 57 14:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
@Number 57: In that case I'm completely happy to leave it as it is. Thanks. Drawoh46 (talk) 15:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Help request[edit]

Thank you for editing Slovak parliamentary election, 1938. Could you help me also with the article Slovak People's Party? Unfortunately, my English is not very good and I will appreciate some copyediting by a native speaker. --Ditinili (talk) 18:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ditinili: I've made a start, will try and do the rest later this week. Cheers, Number 57 19:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

AFC Darwen[edit]


I have been assigned by AFC Darwen to help improve and add to their wikipedia page, especially their most recent history.

I am also learning on how to edit Wiki properly. Please can you let me edit the page efficiently?

I have added key information but it has been edited by yourself and I have to start over again, which is frustrating while i am trying to do the club a service.

Kind Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shambles Smurph (talkcontribs) 09:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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Undid revision 735090617 by Number 57 (talk)[edit]

Look, I defended myself by submitting a appeal to the Unblock Ticket Review System and I am going to defend myself again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsc1277 (talkcontribs) 15:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

It would be helpful if you started by discussing the content of the article on the article's talk page, where I have posted a number of sources. - htonl (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 August 2016[edit]

August 2016[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Johnsc1277. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to South African republic referendum, 1960 have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Stop reverting my edits! Johnsc1277 (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

@NeilN: Can you block this user now? They've just reverted again at South African republic referendum, 1960 and have the gall to issue Htonl and me warnings. Cheers, Number 57 17:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Blocked for 48 hours. --NeilN talk to me 18:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)


I am trying to reach out here and clear the air between the two of us, after all we are both here to improve wikipedia. Right?

I feel that you take every chance you get to attack me when reverting without even looking at the fact. The burden to provide evidence lies on the editor that adds the content per WP:UNSOURCED and you know it. I take the lazy road sometimes, I have admitted to that in the past and I still do. But that does not mean that I am always wrong.

Your behaviour towards me in cases like this has really started questioning you as an neutral unbiased administrator, and I have thought about reporting you. But that is really only a last resort and not something that I would like to do. I just feel that sometimes you dont act like an administrator. If you look at the current thread at WT:FOOTY, User:Jaellee who is not an admin hit the nail on the head and was able to explain the issue, instead of putting fuel on the fire. It just made me more angry and upset to se your aggression towards me, and honestly I think about leaving. The time and hard work I spend here, and then to get this response from an administrator. Well lets just say I lost hope tonight.

If you have something against me, lets take it to my face and discuss here, instead of working against me in cases like this. Qed237 (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: I appreciate the message, and I have nothing against you – the only time we have come into conflict is as a result of you reverting perfectly good information. All that I ask is that you actually check what you're reverting is true or not before you do – this is a fairly basic standard of editing as far as I'm concerned. If you don't, you are both damaging Wikipedia by removing correct information and putting off potential new editors who see that their constructive contribution has been immediately reverted – newbie editors do not generally understand the concept of sourcing, whilst casual editors (the type that will correct information on a page they happen to be reading) are highly unlikely to return to the page they've just corrected and even less likely to bother trying again if they see their contribution has been mindlessly reverted. This is the sort of thing that drives people away from Wikipedia.
Anyway, as I said, all that I ask is that you check what you're reverting before you do – if that's too much to ask, then unfortunately I will continue to call you out when you repeat it. As you said, we are both here to improve Wikipedia, and that should include ensuring that (a) we are as up-to-date as possible and (b) that we attract and retain as many editors as possible. Cheers, Number 57 10:06, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I see your point and recently I brought up "the newbie card" myself when an editor used really bad language and attacked new editors. However, since the editor was a good contributor otherwise, the editors who complained where told to look the other way. So apparently wikipedia does not take it too seriously with new editors (which I think is bad, we need "fresh blood"). The IP in this case was not a new editor, but actually pretty experienced, and if they had an account they would probably have been blocked for disruption. They got warnings on their talkpage which they removed and messages in edit summaries, which they choose to ignore, only to start attacking my edits at other articles. If the editor had been unfamiliar with wikipedia and an obvious rookie, I would have played it differently, but this editor knew what they were doing. We can not add incorrect information just to keep new editors. As I final note, if I think you are unfair (I saw other editors got my back here) I will continue to call you out. Qed237 (talk) 10:23, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
@Qed237: If the information was incorrect, I would have had no problem with you summarily deleting it, and I agree that this should not be done to keep new editors – but I'm not sure why you are making this point, as it's not what I am advocating. Number 57 11:18, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
The fact is that I was completely right to remove unsourced content and the burden to source lies with the editor adding the content. Qed237 (talk) 12:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
@Qed237: The fact is that you were lazy and unhelpful - that's what you need to take away from this. Next time you see someone adding information, have the decency to check whether it is true or not before reverting. Your sourcing argument doesn't hold water because half of the places you were reverting the IP in (i.e. the templates) are not sourced anyway. Number 57 13:26, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
You were not really helpful yourself, completely letting the IP of the hook and just adding fuel on the fire. Not what to expect from an administrator. That is what you need to take away from this. Even if I was lazy does not mean I was wrong, as it is allowed to remove unsourced content. Qed237 (talk) 15:56, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing UKIP and Green Party of England and Wales Leadership election 2016[edit]

I read your entry on false consensus with interest ((There are several areas of the project which are almost no-go areas for outside/neutral editors, and many false consensuses have been built up by small groups of editors (usually around five people, which is sufficient to block progress on any attempt at outside involvement (the fatal flaw of the WP:RFC process being that it is not limited to outside editors)). . There is a discussion just starting on consensus on the green Party of England and Wales leadership election page. I think that the problem you highlight is evident on the UKIP page regarding endorsements of candidates, Could we dicuss why I made that edit as I wish to pursue the issue of a non neutral editor acting as gate keeper and de facto Ephor for two key rival policial parties entires. That is the subject of a seperate COI issue which does have a bearing on the UKIP page as well i'm afraid. 06:02, 20 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RogerGLewis (talkcontribs)

@RogerGLewis: There is no COI on the UKIP page – as you've already been told by other editors, being a member of a party is not a conflict of interest when it comes to editing other parties' articles. As it so happens, I am a Green Party member and I wholly agree with Bondegezou's efforts to try and sort out your edits to the Green Party leadership election page. Rather than continue to make various accusations against other editors, I suggest you need to focus on learning how to use Wikipedia properly if you are going to become a long-term contributor – having seen what's going on at both the Green Party leadership election talk page and ANI, I don't think you will not last long on Wikipedia if you carry on like this. Primarily you need to learn how to:
  1. Link to articles rather than reference them
  2. Sign your comments properly (using four tildas – ~~~~)
  3. Mention other editors in comments so that their username appears
  4. Structure the indent of responses properly using colons.
In addition, you need to stick to no more than 100-200 words when writing comments, otherwise people will not bother to read them (WP:TLDR). The walls of text you have produced at the various discussions you have contributed to are an immediate sign to other editors that this is a potential problem editor. Number 57 10:15, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
@Number 57: I take your helpful comments on board regarding consision , with respect to consensus and editing policy I have read rather more of that than Formatting, these past weeks. I have been learning more and Indents hopefully have now entered my world. I have embraced the editing discussion and started new sections to address the issues I wish to raise, most people I think give up with the arcania of wikipedia very early on due to lack of time, that certainly was the case with me back in 2009. I am now retired from my Business interests in the UK and have the time needed to dedicate to matters that interest me. I will spend some time practising my formatting in accordance with your suggestions and precis the entrys to under 200 words , I did not know that was the convention and I see now that you tell me that I can improve the presentation of my points by observing them.I will use the talk page to edit myself back within convention and policy. I had a look at how one adds pictures earlier, the entry has spaces for all the candidates but not pictures for all of them, I understand the copy right issues but the formatting looked less than intuitive to me at this stage, are there any helpful tutorials on adding photos? RogerGLewis (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
@RogerGLewis: No problem; if you have any queries about formatting, I'm happy to help. There is an image uploading tutorial here, which hopefully should be of use. The most important thing to bear in mind is copyright – and with regards to photos, I would advise only uploading ones you have have taken yourself, as otherwise it starts to get complicated. Cheers, Number 57 11:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Can you check...[edit]

Hi, can you check please this article Central American federal election, 1835 to see what's the problem with grammar or spelling or whatever caused the tag. It was the last one I did that day and was already kind of sleepy. I know you already check it but I would like not to see the tag. Thanks. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 05:11, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

@Dereck Camacho: Have done. Thanks for creating the articles – I had no idea there had been an elected President. Were they popular votes, or done via the respective (sub)national parliaments? Was there also any form of elected Assembly? Cheers, Number 57 12:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
My pleasure. According to my sources (and the Central American Constitution of the time) the election first happened with direct popular vote (except women coulnd't vote back then) and this selected the electors of some sort of Electoral College a lot like the US (the Central American Constitution was based on the American one), what I havn't found yet it's the exact number of votes and percentages of the popular vote. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 21:11, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


I appreciate the interesting list of DYKs on your user page. You might want to disambiguate al-Sayyid to al-Sayyid, Israel. Matchups 20:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Is there a way of globally blocking an account?[edit]


I just noticed that this user modified the lede sections and infoboxes of Sagan Tosu and Thespakusatsu Gunma in no less than eight languages to contain bogus club names and false information. They could of course be reported separately for each language; nevertheless, do you know if there is some way of reporting their global account as well? – Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 16:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

@Soccer-holic: Unfortunately I don't know – try asking at WP:AN. Sorry I can't be of more help. Number 57 11:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks anyway. Cheers! – Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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For doing the excellent job that you've been doing. And for not being narrow.

Mall-Underconstruction 12:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Someone screwed up the pushpin map for Haifa[edit]

I don't know who to ask and what to do about it (still don't understand infoboxes and templates that much), as you can see, someone replaced the pushpin map for Haifa to a more central one and it causes many problems: Salem, Ma'ale Iron, Hadera, Pardes Hanna-Karkur.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 18:33, 30 August 2016 (UTC)